Open letter to all.

[Toad]

Hi Weazel.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Sceadu
It never hurts to be informed.  That should be the first thing one does before forming an opinion.
http://www.vva.org
http://www.vfw.org

My father is a VN vet and his opinion is the exact opposite of yours. Kerry said he committed atrocities/war crimes.
Did you see any off the atrocities that Kerry said was rampant in the Vn war? How do you feel about those?

How do you feel about him throwing someone elses medals away?

You say its good to be informed. Did you know this before you posted?

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Toad
Hi Weazel.

I was thinking Voss

[Sceadu]

Originally posted by X2Lee
My father is a VN vet and his opinion is the exact opposite of yours. Kerry said he committed atrocities/war crimes.
Did you see any off the atrocities that Kerry said was rampant in the Vn war? How do you feel about those?

How do you feel about him throwing someone elses medals away?

You say its good to be informed. Did you know this before you posted?

  No.  And Kerry didn't say everyone was committing atrocities.  I vividly recall the Mei Lai trial.  Are you saying that it didn't happen? Atrocities did occur.  More than just Mei Lai.  Rampant?  No.  Did they happen? Absolutely.  Does that mean that all vets committed them? No. Does it mean that atrocities were committed?  Absolutely.

  They weren't medals,  They were ribbons.  Join the military and discover the difference for yourself. Or go ask dad.

  And, yes, I knew if before I posted.  More questions for me?

  As I said.  It doesn't hurt to be informed.  It certainly does hurt to be misinformed, especially in a representative democracy.  When the ignorant vote, then the ignorant get elected.  Case in point - Bush.

http://www.bushwatch.net

[Toad]

It's Saxon/Old English for shadow

Shadow, one might say shade, even.

If you porked the account you had been using and got banned, you might want to start a new shade account.

[Eagler]

wow
you take flip flop kerry or the cic who talks the talk and walks the walk

I give a rats arse what either of them did what 35+ years ago
I care what each does and stands for TODAY and who their associates are TODAY & who they will be TOMORROW!
screw yesteryear

[Sceadu]

I don't understand the preceeding post.  Today was the first day I discovered the message boards.  I just started AH last week.  I found it listed on tucows.com and thought it sounded a lot like a game I used to play on the GEnie online service called Air Warrior, and later via AOL.  Turns out it is almost exactly like AW and was likely inspired by it; but much better.  Still don't get the shade/shadow thing, though.  Sceadu is the character name I used for my SWG character until I got fed up with all of the unfixed bugs and rampant geeks and leet dudes.  I used Stiletto in AW as my handle on GEnie.

[Sceadu]

Originally posted by Eagler
wow
you take flip flop kerry or the cic who talks the talk and walks the walk

I give a rats arse what either of them did what 35+ years ago
I care what each does and stands for TODAY and who their associates are TODAY & who they will be TOMORROW!
screw yesteryear

  Flip flop Kerry?  Now that's funny coming from a fan of Bush, who has a much longer record of flip flops on issues.

http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

  The man doesn't walk any walk other than what he thinks will get him elected, and doesn't talk any talk other than the same.  And after he's elected/installed he trashes every promise he made to get elected except ONE - he kept the tax cuts for the wealthy.  Dick Cheney saved $212,000+ dollars on his taxes last year, thanks to the Bush tax cut.  That's saved, not paid.  How much of a tax cut did you get?  How much funding did the promised VA hospitals get?  How much funding did the promised base housing overhauls get? How much of the promised additional funding did school districts near military bases get?  How much of a promised pay increase did the active military get?  How much of a promised increase to hazardous duty pay did the reservists in Iraq get?  How much access to healthcare did the called-up reservists get?  You want to die for a liar, go right ahead. Trot on down to your local recruiter and join right the reserves.  Just pray that nothing happens to your family while you're gone.  Not a penny of Bush's budgets have ever gone to help the families of reservists called for active duty.  Bush and Co. couldn't give a crap about them or you.  Unless it's election time.

   Walk the walk? Right.

[MOIL]

Sceadu

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Originally posted by demaw1
Dead.........wolves

   I first paid attention to the wolves story some months back.The history channel was showing a small series on the allies run thru france into germany and  the end of war. They didnt say the wolves were disbanded by the ss maybe for the same reason I dismissed it also.  History channel as I remember it said they caused along with some others a decent amount of problems for about 6 months. thats close enough 2 two months I guess.Slight amont of trouble for 2 years.The allies wanted to of course down play their role for obvious reasons.In russian sector it was reported that there was a clash between suspected members of wolves and russian troops 1949.It wasnt confirmed could have been anything I guess.
    Next time, I read about rices statement ,perked my interest

read reynolds colum and because of my bias against la and ny times Idismissed most of her colum. didnt find a lot at rand, but didnt push it, because of the history channel,which I have some faith in.

   also didnt think rice et al would lie because it would be easy to the dems to dispute and cause a fire storm...didnt like words like ambiguity being used and some historians took issue with ,which means some didnt....So common sense told me must be some truth....about all I know about.

Well your unshaken faith in Dr. Rice's fact-checking capabilities after the Iraqi WMD fiasco is admirable, and with that sort of unshakable faith, I'll not really bother arguing the case one way or the other. But even if your assertion of them causing a "decent amount of problems for about 6 months" is correct, your initial parallel is still overstating the case - IIRC the US never lost all control of a couple of cities in Germany in 1946 to the Werewolves, so the Werewolves are not even in the same league as the Iraqi resistance, and the Iraqi resistance represents a much greater military problem than the slight inconvenience the werewolves achieved. So all in all, it's not really much of a parallel at all.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Sceadu
No.  And Kerry didn't say everyone was committing atrocities.  
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 No but he admitted he did
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 They weren't medals,  They were ribbons.  Join the military and discover the difference for yourself. Or go ask dad.
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They were not his, how does that strike you?
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[Sceadu]

Originally posted by X2Lee

Originally posted by Sceadu
No.  And Kerry didn't say everyone was committing atrocities.  
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 No but he admitted he did
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 They weren't medals,  They were ribbons.  Join the military and discover the difference for yourself. Or go ask dad.
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They were not his, how does that strike you?
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  Some were his. Some weren't.  The people who gave him the other ribbons were apparently ok with it.  I certainly don't have a problem with it.  It's called free speech.  One of those protected freedoms in the Bill of rights which Ashcroft is busily trashing for his boss.  Then again, what do you expect from someone like Ashcroft who devoutly believes that calico cats are a sign of the devil?

  And no Kerry didn't admit that he did.  What he said in  his testimony before Congress is a matter of public record.  Look it up for yourself, instead of just parroting whatever Hannity and O'Reilly think for you.  Try Lexus/Nexus if you have access.  If not, try a newspaper site.

[demaw1]

SCEADU........REPLY


       I thank you for your service to or country. I respect the time you took to write your feeling down instead of just one liners. I do totally disagree with 95 percent of what you said.Thing is dems.,repub. all did the same to a point.I do not car what they did 35 years ago what are they doing now. Right now is when our young ones have to fight like it or not.Kerry is a johnson clone,Wish Id known you could get some small wounds and bug out.Kerry wants to put the fate of our country and our young ones in the hands of countries like france.Our military is once again in harms way,then if you care about our military give them the cic they want. I guess my vote will cancel out yours,from there its up to the rest of the people. Tell me what has kerry done in all these years to help the military.
     with respect demaw.

[Eagler]

maybe skerry kerry would change the length of a TOD in Iraq to 4 months, ya know no longer than his "heroic" in country adventure was - LOL

sorry, no respect for the guy, don't care what he did or didn't do in nam

just as I have less respect for the real JFK once his behavior and that of his father joe/family has become clear through time regardless of what he did for his crew after he got his boat ran over in ww2 and he is 10x the man skerry (mini-jfk) will ever be...

since you seem to like websites, here's a site for ya Sceadu:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Sceadu
No.  And Kerry didn't say everyone was committing atrocities.  I vividly recall the Mei Lai trial.  Are you saying that it didn't happen? Atrocities did occur.  More than just Mei Lai.  Rampant?  No.  Did they happen? Absolutely.  Does that mean that all vets committed them? No. Does it mean that atrocities were committed?  Absolutely.

  They weren't medals,  They were ribbons.  Join the military and discover the difference for yourself. Or go ask dad.

  And, yes, I knew if before I posted.  More questions for me?

  As I said.  It doesn't hurt to be informed.  It certainly does hurt to be misinformed, especially in a representative democracy.  When the ignorant vote, then the ignorant get elected.  Case in point - Bush.

http://www.bushwatch.net

he said attrocitys were rampant and known of and condoned from one end of chain of command to other. YOU should read his testimony and stop wasting your time lying to us. and if things like my lai happened all the time you can bet there would have been pages of photos in many newspaper commies were not the type to waste such a propoganda oppourtunity. you are a liar plain and simple. "I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation.

-- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971"