Slot `43 recommendation

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Karnak
No, I mean the A6M5 that the F4U was tested against in reality.  Is that the one that the F4U outclimbed?

I dunno. What's his source?

[Arlo]

Offline comparisons

Fuelburn rate 1.8 - Slot Map - Henderson field - takeoff NE - autoclimb

F4U-1D: 3/4 fuel (equivalent fuel load to F4U-1 @ 1/2): wep on takeoff

2k roc 3.1
5k 1:59
10k 3:38
10.5k 5/8 tank remaining
15k 5:21 roc 2.75
15.3k wep runs out roc 2.4
17k roc 2.25
20k 7:40 wep re-engaged roc climbs 2.1 to 2.35
22k 1/2 tank remaining
22.5k wep runs out roc 1.9
24k roc 1.75
25k 10:13 wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.7 to 1.75
26.25k wep runs out roc 1.5
28.5k wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.35 to 1.4
29.2k 3/8 tank remaining
29.6k wep runs out roc 1.25
30k 13:42
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Fuelburn rate 1.8 - Slot Map - Henderson field - takeoff NE - autoclimb

KI-61: 1/2 fuel: wep on takeoff

2k roc 3.2
5k 2:03
10k 3:43 Aux dry roc 3
14k Center tank 3/8
14.5k roc 2.5
15k 5:28 wep runs out roc 2.4
16.5k roc 2.25
18k center tank 1/4 roc 2
20k 7:55 wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.8 to 1.9
21.5k center tank 1/8 roc 1.75
22.2k wep runs out roc 1.5
24k center tank dry roc 1.25
25k 11:20wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.1 to 1.25
26.25k wep runs out roc 1 (no appreciable loss)
28k wing tanks 3/8 roc .75
28.5k wep re-engaged (no appreciable gain)
29.4k wep runs out roc .5
30k 17:49 wing tanks 1/4
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[Arlo]

Offline comparisons

Fuelburn rate 1.8 - Slot Map - Henderson field - takeoff NE - autoclimb

F4U-1D: 3/4 fuel (equivalent fuel load to F4U-1 @ 1/2): wep on takeoff

2k roc 3.1
5k 1:59
10k 3:38
10.5k 5/8 tank remaining
15k 5:21 roc 2.75
15.3k wep runs out roc 2.4
17k roc 2.25
20k 7:40 wep re-engaged roc climbs 2.1 to 2.35
22k 1/2 tank remaining
22.5k wep runs out roc 1.9
24k roc 1.75
25k 10:13 wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.7 to 1.75
26.25k wep runs out roc 1.5
28.5k wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.35 to 1.4
29.2k 3/8 tank remaining
29.6k wep runs out roc 1.25
30k 13:42
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Fuelburn rate 1.8 - Slot Map - Henderson field - takeoff NE - autoclimb

N1K2J: 1/2 fuel: wep on takeoff

2k roc 4+
5k 1:31
5.5k roc needle unpegs
7k roc 3.75
8k roc 3.5
10k 2:56 roc 3.25
11k tanks 3/8 roc 3
12k roc 2.75
15k 4:45
16.5k wep runs out roc 2.65
19k roc 2.5
20k 6:44wep re-engaged roc 2.35
21k wep runs out roc 2.2
22.5k tanks 1/4 roc 2
24k roc 1.75
25k 9:23wep re-engaged roc 1.6 (no appreciable gain)
26k wep runs out roc 1.5 (no appreciable loss)
27.2k roc 1.25
28.5k wep re-engaged roc 1 (no appreciable gain)
29.2k wep runs out roc 1 (no appreciable loss)
30k 13:46 tanks 1/8
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[Karnak]

Here is a link to F4UDOA's thread:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123755&highlight=A6M5

I'm not sure the source.  Maybe it is in there.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by storch
Thank you oldman for some really tough fights.  That was some great P40 flying.

Heh heh.  Was a lot of fun, up until the end of each of those fights.  P40 v. Tony is one of the best fights in AH, so far as I'm concerned.

FWIW, I wouldn't change a thing in this setup.

- oldman

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Karnak
Here is a link to F4UDOA's thread:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123755&highlight=A6M5

I'm not sure the source.  Maybe it is in there.

Ok, different source than mine though it could be Tillman's source (but it would be surprising that he didn't mention the A6M5 malfuntioning, so I doubt it). But it's zoom climb and dive tests. Mine is purely deck to 30k climb tests (though I did dive both a6ms to the deck afterward from 30k - chopped throttle, no shimy or shake the entire drop - pull out began at 8k - came out inches over the deck - no problem. Ditch @ 400 ias .... no problem, heh).

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

Originally posted by Grits
No, with due respect Hawk, you missed the point. Pilot tactics are an individual thing, about which each one of us as persons living in 2004, have differing views as to what is fun. I dont fly like you, or Storch, or Arlo, or Oldman, or anybody else, much less a real pilot. We are not all trying to stay alive, because we dont really die, we can do things that a real WWII pilot would never have done. You choose to fly as though you life depends on it, and I respect that because not many do, but you can not force others to do the same thing. Nothing can be done to change that, by you or me or anyone else, its a result of this being a GAME.

CV and Ack hardness are arena settings which can be changed to simulate WWII and cause us to react as pilots then would. Individual pilot tactics are not arena settings, and can not regulated.

YOU can not make ME fear the F4U when I am in a Zeke, because I do no fear it and there is nothing you can do to make me fear it. Most (not all) F4U's are poorly flown and with such timidity that they are not a real threat unless they are 3 to 1 because of lack of aggressiveness. Ask Storch if I know how to fly the F4U agressively.

You can however, with proper arena settings, make me fear 2-3 TBM's/SBD's heading unopposed to my CV, knowing that there are not 4-6 manned acks waiting to knock them down. This will cause a person in 2004 to react as a pilot in WWII would knowing if they dont intercept, the CV will be doomed as it would have been then.

As a side note, your hero Chris Magee was well known for attacking any odds, even when lower and far outnumbered so dont act like all "real" pilots flew like you do.

My hero is not Chris Magee. Was just a name I saw and it fit the icon ID.


I can make you fear the F4U if the Zero damage model was correct. Zekes flaming for 60 sec. is a bit much when most exploded due to the non-self sealing tanks. I hit zeroe all the time and more than non I get a fuel leak with the first hit. Another fuel leak with the second hit and maybe, if I am lucky to still have the energy I need, get the engine on the third pass. First I can see the fuel leak on the first pass but igniting the fuel mist vapors with the second hit is more likely than just another fuel leak. If not the second, the third hit should finish it off instead of a lousy engin hit! I also have not read anywhere were the A6M5b had self sealing fuel tanks or pilot armor. There were little improvements other than thicker guage wing skin, ailerons tapering into the non-folding wingtips. The thicker guage wing skin aided only in the faster dive speed. The A6M5b was just as fatel when hit in the wing tanks as was the A6M2 and A6M3. Also, the A6M variants were only slightly more manuverable than the F4F and F6F. The F6F had the power that the F4F lacked amongst udder tings!

[Grits]

Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I also have not read anywhere were the A6M5b had self sealing fuel tanks or pilot armor.

I was a little off on my facts, the 5b had CO2 fuel tank fire extinguishers and an armoured windshield, the 5c added pilot seat rear armor.

The Zeke takes a bit more damage than I think is right also, but if it took less I still would not fear very many F4U's because of the most important factor, the pilots.

In the end, it is what it is until HT or Pyro changes it and there is not much reason to stress over it.

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

The F4U and the P-38 where the most feared by Zero pilots, and yes, most did fear them.

Whats so funny is that no matter were I hit them on my first pass, its always the left fuel tank that leaks first. No matter were I hit them on the second pass, its always the right fuel tank that leaks. Basicly the same with the engine on the third pass. I love the way pilots have what it takes to keep fighting when there is fire in their face i.e. the "flaming/fighting" Zeros.

[soda72]

Offline comparisons

Fuelburn rate 1.8 - Slot Map - Henderson field - takeoff NE - autoclimb

F4U-1D: 3/4 fuel (equivalent fuel load to F4U-1 @ 1/2): wep on takeoff

2k roc 3.1
5k 1:59
10k 3:38
10.5k 5/8 tank remaining
15k 5:21 roc 2.75
15.3k wep runs out roc 2.4
17k roc 2.25
20k 7:40 wep re-engaged roc climbs 2.1 to 2.35
22k 1/2 tank remaining
22.5k wep runs out roc 1.9
24k roc 1.75
25k 10:13 wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.7 to 1.75
26.25k wep runs out roc 1.5
28.5k wep re-engaged roc climbs 1.35 to 1.4
29.2k 3/8 tank remaining
29.6k wep runs out roc 1.25
30k 13:42
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Fuelburn rate 1.8 - Slot Map - Henderson field - takeoff NE - autoclimb

N1K2J: 1/2 fuel: wep on takeoff

2k roc 4+
5k 1:31
5.5k roc needle unpegs
7k roc 3.75
8k roc 3.5
10k 2:56 roc 3.25
11k tanks 3/8 roc 3
12k roc 2.75
15k 4:45
16.5k wep runs out roc 2.65
19k roc 2.5
20k 6:44wep re-engaged roc 2.35
21k wep runs out roc 2.2
22.5k tanks 1/4 roc 2
24k roc 1.75
25k 9:23wep re-engaged roc 1.6 (no appreciable gain)
26k wep runs out roc 1.5 (no appreciable loss)
27.2k roc 1.25
28.5k wep re-engaged roc 1 (no appreciable gain)
29.2k wep runs out roc 1 (no appreciable loss)
30k 13:46 tanks 1/8

Arlo do you have stats for all the planes?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by soda72
Arlo do you have stats for all the planes?

No. I was just doing some quick comparisons to give an inkling that the IJ planeset has superior climbing capability in AHII. But I guess I could ("test pilot" Arlo - lol). Of course ... so could anyone.

I could easily invest hours flying all the HTC aircraft in climb, level flight and dive tests at various fuel burn rates and loads. Guess that would be days. Well ... maybe weeks. Months? Heh.

[Karnak]

Yeah, I agree that the physiolgical modeling of sitting in a flaming aircraft are not modeled.

I am only aware of one instance in WWII where this actually happened and it earned the pilot a Victoria Cross.

Really what the pilot of the flaming A6M should be doing is jumping out.  Or, if historical and without a parachute, augering to end the pain.



Why do flaming A6Ms last so long and flaming Mossies so short?  Why do Mossies catch fire so much easier?

[soda72]

oh, I was hoping you had already done all the hard work  

It would be great information for your web page.

[Arlo]

Well, HT has oil and blood modeled. Think he can fill a cockpit with smoke?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by soda72
oh, I was hoping you had already done all the hard work  

It would be great information for your web page.

Ya talked me into it. But I'm gonna space out the work or I'll never get to fly online.