Note to Hightech

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Octavius
The new crowd takes the path of least resistance.  Inanimate objects put up less of a fight than I do  I think *we* should be reaching out to the newguys, too.  :/

Yes, the veterans should make more of an effort to reach out to the new players.  I think though the dynamic of this community is what is keeping that from really happening.  

The reliance on the community that HT is placing to train the new players is not really working and something new is needed.  There has to be some sort of formal training program very much like the ones that AW and WB have had.  



ack-ack

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Octavius
lol, the law of averages I suppose.  The new crowd can't all suck .  A percentage could have learned on their own.

lol, true, but where did they learn?  Shouldn't I have been killing them while they were learning?

I'VE BEEN CHEATED.  I WANT MY KILLS BACK

[kj714]

" D: Seriously have considered buying new equipment
to increase preformance of a game that makes me
angry"

I've spent enough money on Logitech sticks to have bought most of a good system by now.

[humble]

Originally posted by Shane
.....when i first got into flight sims, i took my lumps repeatedly, as a result i got as good as i am now.
 

I'll attest to that, way back when I can remember Oopsy...he'd moan curse whine with the best of em...but the SOB kept coming back for more. For any/all of you who whine moan or badmouth the boy the bottom line is simple...he walked the walk...so he's earned the right to talk the talk (even if it is smack most of the time  ). AH probably has the greatest accumulation of sim pilots on the planet...many have 5000+/hrs of actual air combat in this enviornment. Many like cobra412 have become very good in less than a year....like Oopsy they worked at it. Spend the time and the results will come.

[Nwbie]

My two cents

I don't understand all the beeching really, I am most obviously not one of the better sticks in the game, I do all right for the amount of time I get to play, with two younguns under 4, it ain't much.
How I have my fun...
Reading the channel text for the taunters and the fish they hook
Saying hi to all the peeps I've come to know over the years through this and Air Warrior.. Especially my squadies, some of whom I've known since the first weeks I was augering spits taking off in aolAW...lol
Uppin a spitV near a base that is getting stomped and staying under 5k, getting da dopes into turnfights, ( I started doing this after watching Leviathan and Wildthing do this over and over again one day, laffing der arses off, It is way too much fun lol)
Flying Spit ones is a lesson in itself, I remember one day knits were getting stomped and shane put up a Spit one sweep, he said - We'll probably getting killed, but imagine the perks ya get ..lol, I got amazingly a couple kills, perks u wouldn't believe, and to this day is still the most fun mission I participated in,
My point, you need to make it fun, it is a stupid on line game, Don't tell me -I have so little time, I want my ride !! - you are missing all the fun.

NwBie

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Shane
as a result i got as good as i am now.

...and 5,000 mere mortals of the AH community are treated to your accounts of this feat on a daily basis.

[Shane]

actually, it's very rare you see me bragging about how good *I* am. I more often tell them exactly how much they suck.




I suppose I should post films to prove my point...

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Shane
I suppose I should post films to prove my point...

Yes you should. And if you're as good as you claim to be, no need to use the P51/LA7/Spit9 crutch planes.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Shane
then you have 1 guy who may be hanging around the goon thinking he's "escorting" it - in all likelyhood about 2-3k directly above the goonm which is the absolute best seat in the house for watching the goon explode.


here's where the "tactical" failure comes in.  instead of having 7 guys close capping, you only need 2 or 3.  the other 4-5 guys *should* be extending outwards towards the most likely ingress route of the goon hunter(s), preventing them from even getting within view of the base being worked over, much less the goon inbound. this kills/or at least ties up any bad guys, giving that goon time to make a nice easy stress-free drop.

the guy *over* the goon, would be better off being a mile or 2 ahead, just within dot range of the goon (we'll assume he made the goon his wingman so he can track it easier) and at about 12-15k agl. this provides the "escort" the opportunity to catch any inbound goon killers, and force them down and away, or dive down screaming onto one who may be hauling *** on the deck. once a high goon killer starts his dive onto the goon, the goon is pretty much undefendable. you have to catch the bad guy before that point.  or prevent them from getting to that point in the first place.

That's great Shane.  Brought back a memory from years ago in AH back when you dropped troops on the field and there were no towns.  We were heavily outnumbered and our base in question had been pounded down, though there were still players trying to up from it.  I had upped an A6M5b from further back and arrived up above the incoming enemy aircraft.  I rolled onto my side and looked down and I saw a single C-47 with six or seven P-51Ds right arounding like they were the Secret Service protecting the PoUS with their bodies.  They couldn't have been more than 500ft above the C-47 and 500ft to the side.  So I dove down in my mighty A6M5b and with it's awesome high speed handling flew right through the middle of those sleek, fast P-51Ds at 425mph and blew the C-47 away.  Then I pulled and slowly brought the nose up and zoomed back to the clouds.  Leaving siz or seven mighty P-51D's standing there while an A6M5b got off without a scratch for killing their goon was great fun.

It was pathetically easy and I was in what was quite possibly the worst aircraft for the job.  Imagine how easy that would have been in a P-51D, La-7 or Fw190.

Close escorts are just as useless in AH as they were in 1940 when the Bf109s and Bf110s got taken out of the fight over England by such nonsense.

[Shane]

films are only good to a point, and instead of telling people how good i am, i prefer to help them at least take a step in the right direction of less suck.  how many people have *you* helped?

those aren't crutches anyway, they're clubs. in your case those, i can see how they'd be a crutch.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Shane
films are only good to a point, and instead of telling people how good i am, i prefer to help them at least take a step in the right direction of less suck.  how many people have *you* helped?

those aren't crutches anyway, they're clubs. in your case those, i can see how they'd be a crutch.

I don't. I never flew 'em in at least 2 years. As for helping, I helped a guy with his Vsync settings today. Does that count?

[MaddogJoe]

Ohio, I think you have to define your idea of FUN. To me its fun to fight these uber pilots that are chating here. Yes they hand me my head more often than not, but thats my fun...trying to beat these guys. If I could catch them on-line with a few mins of free time I would love to hook up with them and learn any thing they would be willing to teach.

If on the other hand all you want to do is buzz around and kill everything in the arena and then land, your in the wrong game, go get your self a tie fighter or something.

What is your idea of fun?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Ohio330
I was part of that rook horde.  I found safety in numbers in order to learn this game.  As it stands now, I cannot find myself learning anything
but defensive moves.

Remember how some people used to chortle about telling the noobs to Alt+F4 to release drop tanks, drop bombs, or deal with any other situation? Did you have a good laugh when they did it? Eh? Or did you get frustrated and just tell 'em to piss off?

Well, what you see here from Ohio330 is a sample of the result. The actual result is 1000 times worse. For all those who suggested Alt+F4, I hope you're satisfied. Now, imagine being smashed in the face with a rifle butt, and your body being taken out in an elevated hopper to be dumped at sea for your sins.

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by Shane
and what do you learn, as a noob, flying in the horde? this is exactly part of the problem. noobs fly in the horde, then they get comfy in it, and then locked into it because to actually get better they have to put their fragile egos on the line and take risks, possibly dying and screwing up their precious internalization of how good they've gotten in the horde.

wouldn't you learn faster by flying as hard as you can, pushing the envelop in various planes, dying many times in the process? not only does this help you learn the planes, it also develops your SA.

once you get good, then you move onto squad "tactics" - something that is really lacking in AH for the most part, other than a "let's all up here and go take base XXX, hopefully only 1 or 2 will defend it and we can vulch them repeatedly as we take the base. my, aren't we 9 guys so awesome?"

you can learn the bombing stuff offlilne...

what is it these days? when i first got into flight sims, i took my lumps repeatedly, as a result i got as good as i am now.
it was a simple matter to learn the bombing stuff. buildings don't move.

not directed at *you* ohio, but at noobs and so-called "vets" in general. "vets" have been very poor role models for you noobs, teaching you all sorts of lazy and shoddy habits because they've locked themselves into their little boxes.

Dang you Shane if you just didn't hit the nail square on .

[TexMurphy]

Im a noob and anyone who puts me on some stoopid noob server is gonna get his income increased with 1 account. There is no way Im flyin in some contained noob enviroment.

I want to fly in the real world... I want to fry if I screw up.. I want to die if I fly like a noob... that is the only way I can improve.. have the vets there and strive to kill em..

I dont fly the hoard exclusivly I try to fight different scenarios as much as possible to learn as much as possible.

I fly extreamly outnumbered base defenses because it learns me to evade better and while evading getting my plane in possition to shoot.

I fly hoard to widen my situation awarness.

I fly even number situations because these are a good challange.

I go of on lone raids towards enemy bases where I know I can pick of people who are joining a battle. I do this to learn 1vX fights.

So Shane please dont say that all noobs fly hoards, all that noobs learn is to hoard and get comfy in the situation and cant handle anything but it.

Tex