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Offline Toad

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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2004, 02:55:10 PM »
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go to Killian's secretary and she says, "I didn't type them. They're not authentic... but the information in them is correct."


So, the Swift Vets can MS Word up some memos from Kerry's deceased Det commander saying "this dumbaxe fragged HIMSELF, not ONCE but TWICE. I'm going to gave him the hearts hoping he'll scratch himself on a doorhinge so I can give him a third and get him out of VN altogether". Then they get a clerk from the unit to say "nah, those memos are fake, but that's sure what the dead guy said way back then."

And we'll all accept that as good to go, right? Correct info?

I doubt that.

This thing is stinkin' to high heaven. What a goof-up. It has the potential of yet another Watergate.
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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2004, 02:56:46 PM »
Unless they actually produce the memos that Knox typed, I think we can take her opinion of Mr. Bush with a grain of salt (or two).


I don't quite follow the reference to Watergate. IIRC, the president resigned over that one. ;)
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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2004, 03:11:55 PM »
I can't wait until they find the guy that made those and put him on trial.
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2004, 03:12:40 PM »
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I can't wait until they find the guy that made those and put him on trial.


...and charge him with what?
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2004, 03:12:55 PM »
It's possible that a potential President will fail to get elected over this one. If they trail leads to the Kerry campaign.......... bad juju.

A year ago, I was thinking the Dems should be able to walk away with this one; Bush hasn't been sterling by any means.

But, they continue to prove they can screw up a wet dream.

Maybe they'll save the situation in the next 7 weeks but they're looking pretty sorry right now and have since their convention.
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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2004, 03:15:58 PM »
I wouldn’t take the "word” of an 86 year old secretary. She was a secretary for 30+ recollecting events that about Bush’s service 30+ years ago.

Sandman I was in the Navy as well and the “command secretary” may have been there every day and had contact with the squadron folks everyday but that’s not how the ANG works. Bush wouldn’t have had every day contact with her. So all her years (’57-’79) as a secretary at Ellington Air Force Base I find it very hard to believe that she remembers GWB at least in the details see claimed on 60 min. He wasn’t around much anyway.

I wouldn't rely on her recollection as to whether she typed the memos or whether she could accurately recall the thoughts of Killian. Killian's own son contradicts her. It’s just too stupid to take her recollections at face value.

Old lady Knox’s hearsay is a lot less believable then the memos themselves.

Let the memos stand by themselves, if they are forgeries then CBS and Mr. Rather ought to admit that and not try to mitigate their sloppy form of "journalism". At the very least they should reveal where they got them. It is not like its that big of a story to begin with. Bush will still beat Kerry.
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2004, 03:18:35 PM »
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...and charge him with what?


Heres two:

Fraud

Forgery

I think theres a charge that has to do with election tampering too...which if they are forgeries..they would fall under that.

I'm not sure but W can probrably get him for defamation of character / Libel
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2004, 03:21:17 PM »
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Bush wouldn’t have had every day contact with her. So all her years (’57-’79) as a secretary at Ellington Air Force Base I find it very hard to believe that she remembers GWB at least in the details see claimed on 60 min.


No arguement about seeing Bush everyday. She probably wouldn't. Still, if Bush was the bad apple that she says, she might have remembered him. The sharp ones and the real knuckleheads leave an impression. :)

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I wouldn't rely on her recollection as to whether she typed the memos or whether she could accurately recall the thoughts of Killian. Killian's own son contradicts her. It’s just too stupid to take her recollections at face value.
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I don't put too much stake in the recollections of Killians son. I doubt he was following his dad around at work.
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2004, 03:26:13 PM »
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Heres two:

Fraud

Forgery

I think theres a charge that has to do with election tampering too...which if they are forgeries..they would fall under that.

I'm not sure but W can probrably get him for defamation of character / Libel


Pretty thin case. Good luck.
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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2004, 03:34:57 PM »
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Pretty thin case. Good luck.


Regardless of which side you take, if these are forgeries, wouldn't you want to see they guy/guys that caused all this trouble go down?

It really is detracting from the real issues. Issue that neither canidate can take the time to talk about because they are always on the defensive.
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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2004, 03:57:39 PM »
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Regardless of which side you take, if these are forgeries, wouldn't you want to see they guy/guys that caused all this trouble go down?


Ni Sandman would not want Kerry to "go down."  ;)
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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
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Ni Sandman would not want Kerry to "go down."  ;)


That's right... the vast number people in this country that do not like Bush won't make a move unless Kerry gives it the go ahead first.

:rolleyes:
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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2004, 04:01:29 PM »
No I was actually implying that Kerry wrote the fake memos himself, while he was throwing his medals away in cambodia...
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« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2004, 04:06:40 PM »
The 2004 Disinformation Election.

Too bad it ain't got no spam filter, maybe they should hookup with Yahoo.
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« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2004, 04:10:38 PM »
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The 2004 Disinformation Election.

Too bad it ain't got no spam filter, maybe they should hookup with Yahoo.


yep...

Why anyobdy would bother to vote this year with these candidates is beyond me...

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