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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2004, 12:57:12 AM »
With reguard to Duchess.

I made what was soppoed to be a tongue in cheek remark based on my observations of the online male when confronted with a friendly, unstuck up female.

It was ment tongue in cheek and nothing more.
Now considering She isnt here to speak out on her own behalf why dont we just cool it on the subject.

I am sure she probably wouldnt appreciate extended conversations debating her. Particularly behind her back.
Just as most players wouldnt.
And im sure she just wants to play and just have fun just like everyone one else here.

So lets just drop it right here, right now.
And just get on with how one persons fun game play is anothers dweeblike play. which is what it really boils down to.
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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2004, 01:29:13 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
With reguard to Duchess.

I made what was soppoed to be a tongue in cheek remark based on my observations of the online male when confronted with a friendly, unstuck up female.

It was ment tongue in cheek and nothing more.
Now considering She isnt here to speak out on her own behalf why dont we just cool it on the subject.

I am sure she probably wouldnt appreciate extended conversations debating her. Particularly behind her back.
Just as most players wouldnt.
And im sure she just wants to play and just have fun just like everyone one else here.

So lets just drop it right here, right now.
And just get on with how one persons fun game play is anothers dweeblike play. which is what it really boils down to.


Fair enough Drediock, you chivalrous gossip-stopper you.
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« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2004, 01:42:51 AM »
She'll be on soon enough, got her login going.

She's having a blast flying with everybody.

Just to straighten out that she's REALLY a girl (for you, Hitcher)
Here she is shooting ya down:


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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2004, 01:58:55 AM »
As far as the topic of the thread- I still think a Horde Buster squad would work well. A squad of 10 -15 guys that know how to kill AC & know how to work well together would smash most any horde the MA has sees these days.

As for that picture of the gal said to be Duchess, well that gal looks to me to have just sat in someone elses chair. I mean her grip on the equipment doesnt seem right at all, and it looks like she is so recent in the seat that she didnt even straiten the swivel to face the screen yet. But I'm not a professional photo analyst, so I could be mistaken

A Clown, your dead on target IMO, and it doesnt sound at all like a whine to me, but more like an accurate description of todays MA.

I also hope the community will fix the horde. Perhaps with organization & communication. I'll do my part, same as I always have. But I'm not real optomistic, we do have many "Air Quake" mentallity players these days


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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2004, 02:01:28 AM »
IMO, women playing online flightsims should NEVER use a feminine callsign.

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« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2004, 02:16:14 AM »
A perfect example:

I log in tonight to see the knits have about a 10 player advantage, but I see a really good/even fight brewing around a8 and decided to stay.  Anyway, the rooks start pushing hard and the fight moves in their favour numbers wise.  It is, however, still a great fight because we are close to our field and can have replacements back in the fight quicker than they can.

...but, guess what happens?  The knits dry up.  Expand the map a little and what do we find?  A milkrunning horde rolling the undefended, and vastly outnumbered, bish fields.  

Things got a little bit hard and {POOF} the fight is abandoned to go slaughter some tool sheds in peace.  I guess I don't get it.



Ps.  I am not talking about a furball here, I am talking about a battle.

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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2004, 02:21:12 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2004, 02:59:58 AM »
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A perfect example:

I log in tonight to see the knits have about a 10 player advantage, but I see a really good/even fight brewing around a8 and decided to stay.  Anyway, the rooks start pushing hard and the fight moves in their favour numbers wise.  It is, however, still a great fight because we are close to our field and can have replacements back in the fight quicker than they can.

...but, guess what happens?  The knits dry up.  Expand the map a little and what do we find?  A milkrunning horde rolling the undefended, and vastly outnumbered, bish fields.  

Things got a little bit hard and {POOF} the fight is abandoned to go slaughter some tool sheds in peace.  I guess I don't get it.



Ps.  I am not talking about a furball here, I am talking about a battle.


I feel your pain Furball. That is why I hate HUGE maps. There is always the option to go milkrun somewhere else instead of actually fighting. People seem to equate every fight involving a full bar of each side to a furball, when they are what you describe, a full out battle, with GV's, bombers, Jabo's and CAP fighters. How going to milkrun undefended fields is more fun than that is beyond my ability to comprehend. At least on small maps there is not the option, generally, to go to some secluded portion of the map and milkrun the weaker team's undefended fields. There are only the 'battles' on small maps.

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« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2004, 03:01:58 AM »
DoK,

I have read your passion for this way of life for years. You are to the written word of the game as Shane is to the playing of the game. But the hairy arse secrets of the game protect themselves. Those not ready will not see.  All of you elite must go amungst the newbies\hoardies and share the secrets. In that way they will become your newbies and hoardies, rather than be left to their own devices to go in a direction that now you are complaining about.

WW2 the Japanese Navy airwing training program looked only for the best of the best. They had excellent pilots, but in small numbers. One reversal wiped them out. In contrast the U.S. trained large numbers to excellent but generalised standards, and had more pilots in the air. We won the War. The hard won secrets learned by a few in 1940 were passed on to the masses. Not the masses had to earn the right to be taught.

 Tell them everything and show them everything. This generation will not go to a training arena. Maybe to seminars if Shane\Fester\Furball announces on CH 200 to show up in the DA in 15 to learn a quick and dirty reverse. They are not interested in suffering for the art. You have the day in your hands. But the price is changing how you have operated for the last 15 years. Shanes way of taking one every once in awhile to the DA will not impact the hoardies in the least.

You want these newbies to stay and be your kind of AH'er? Give up your short term goals and focus on them in the MA as things happen. Help them, talk to them, show them the AH right way to do things in your humble opinions in the MA. Otherwise you present your selves as a bunch of elitist distant snobs who are not interested.

Several squad leaders talking on country channel with each other about the AH ethics and reasons to a base capture, and planning the mission in real time on country channel would lift the veil of confusion. Shane dropping in on country channel after a noobie is beaten and giving up with a few positive comments is another chance to gain their buy in. Talking and walking the game on country and range channel instead of the usual watermelon will attract their attention. When you have it, stuff them full of this right way to play AH you bemoane is being lost.

Other wise, the hoardies will change the game by virtue of your own indifference.
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« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2004, 03:16:28 AM »
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As far as the topic of the thread- I still think a Horde Buster squad would work well.  


Who here remembers AW's "topgunz".................

Can see it now Urchin, Fester, Shane, Hitech, Drex (etc) all in shades flying for the "Horde Busters"  switching sides to target big darbars and wipping them out......................


who ya gonna call.......................
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« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2004, 04:24:21 AM »
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She'll be on soon enough, got her login going.

She's having a blast flying with everybody.

Just to straighten out that she's REALLY a girl (for you, Hitcher)
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« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2004, 07:09:56 AM »
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:rofl ... Hey Morph ... what are you doing Saturday ... fancy a ride into the Big Apple ?


Ride to the Big Apple eh? Call me up bro. I kinda sorta got a date hehe. :(

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Ok well maybe not.

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« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2004, 07:35:44 AM »
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The "fear of dying"  disease seems to be spreading rapidly.  


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« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2004, 07:58:06 AM »
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I feel your pain Furball. That is why I hate HUGE maps. There is always the option to go milkrun somewhere else instead of actually fighting.


 Zazen, this has nothing to do with maps. It's a problem inherent in the people, that is accelerated by the system.

 Remember that when the large maps made their first appearance in the MA, people liked it very much, and expected the long enlongated fronts to help spread the people out to make a less horde-driven fight. The horde problem was already here before the large maps arrived.


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People seem to equate every fight involving a full bar of each side to a furball, when they are what you describe, a full out battle, with GV's, bombers, Jabo's and CAP fighters. How going to milkrun undefended fields is more fun than that is beyond my ability to comprehend.


 I agree wholeheartedly.

 There's always a fight in the MA. It's not the system that ruined gameplay. It's the people that ruined gameplay for themselves.

 When people say "I want a good fight" they really mean "I want an easy fight". So, when people log on and see the dar readings on the map, instead of going to support the base  where help is most needed, they go to the place where its LEAST needed.

 Like, some of my squaddies and me start a nice medium sized furball, which doesn't effect the outcome of the war by much. However if we seem to be gaining an edge, after an hour or so, suddenly there's all these people around who abandoned their own fights, and came here to reap what they haven't sowed.

 And then, when the odds are turned against us, all of those guys suddenly disappear, and go look for another easy fight.

 Geez. This is exactly the reason why I think an "Airforce" or "Squad" concept is needed.


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At least on small maps there is not the option, generally, to go to some secluded portion of the map and milkrun the weaker team's undefended fields. There are only the 'battles' on small maps.


 Having a small map merely hides the potential problem Zazen. We need a more fundamental solution.

 The bare, uncensored facts are;

Facts

* MA gamers are lazy cowards.
* They never work themselves.
* They never earn their own kill.
* All they want is easy kills.
* They don't really want a "fight". They only want a vulch.
* When enemy presence is high, people choose run away.
* When they get horded in turn, they come to the BBS and whine about how the system's porked.
* MA gamers talk and think like soldiers. But they sure don't act like soldiers.
* When MA gamers talk about "freedom" in gameplay, they usually mean the freedom to do the lamest things.
* When MA gamers complain about the "system", theyare usually complaining that the system doesn't let them do the lamest things.
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« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2004, 08:26:58 AM »
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DoK,

I have read your passion for this way of life for years. You are to the written word of the game as Shane is to the playing of the game. But the hairy arse secrets of the game protect themselves. Those not ready will not see.  All of you elite must go amungst the newbies\hoardies and share the secrets. ...

Other wise, the hoardies will change the game by virtue of your own indifference.


Just remember that what you propose turns playing AH more into work.

What I may do is ask HT to get my old "DoK" account restored and comp'd for use in events and touring the countryside. I'd keep paying for my stealth account for actual play - so it ain't like I'd be cheating anyone.

    -DoK