Clinton Libraries

[Airhead]

Originally posted by CAVY
OK..Now I see... Bill Clinton is in office for eight years..and now he opens a library and I'm supposed to forget all about Paula Jones, Juanita Brodrick, et al. Here we go again typical liberals attempting to re-write history.  I wonder if anything in the building, (so eloquently described by a British newspaper as a large oversized trailer) has any references to the following:

Not retrieving UBL from Sudan.

The largest tax hikes the USA has ever seen.

After Clinton got done with cutting the defense budget it look like a crime scene.

Al gore (enough said)

Lets not forget PARDON GATE

And many more....

Let's face it...I know I'm gonna get the responses that the 1990's were the great years of prosperity..All I can say about that..is thank you Republicans and I would rather be safe than prosper.

To be continued

Sheeesh, MrBlack... two new ID's in a week! I see the dipsticks rehab you underwent didn't work.

[Fruda]

I forgot to mention... If my brother and I get jobs, we lose our insurance. And $24,000 a year isn't even enough to pay for my dad's pills.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. People being *******s and jumping to conclusions when they don't even know the person with whom they're speaking, much less their financial situation.


...Simply put: The $245 a month for FOOD is better than $6 an hour, because along with that $245 we get insurance. We also have medicare that pays for my dad's pills, some of which cost over $150 (Procrit is $400, which he needs so he can actually have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning).

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by CAVY
BRAVO for the GUNSLINGER SEMPER FI OOOOHHHH RAAAAHHHH

thanks welcome to the forum

[mietla]

Originally posted by dedalos

How is the $240 a month better than the $6/hour?????

he can stay home and watch cable

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Fruda
I forgot to mention... If my brother and I get jobs, we lose our insurance. And $24,000 a year isn't even enough to pay for my dad's pills.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. People being *******s and jumping to conclusions when they don't even know the person with whom they're speaking, much less their financial situation.


...Simply put: The $245 a month for FOOD is better than $6 an hour, because along with that $245 we get insurance. We also have medicare that pays for my dad's pills, some of which cost over $150 (Procrit is $400, which he needs so he can actually have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning).

last time I checked Walmart has insurence benifits.  If not watch the comercial they run about having them.....apply there...then sue the crap out of them for false advertising.  

I feel your pain.....but quite simplie put....would you rather have, for lack of better words, wellfare going to people like yourselves that want to fend for yourself than to those who can work but simply don't.  There probably isn't one Conservative on this board that wants to see Americans starve because they can't fend for themselves.  What we don't want is a portion of our paycheck going to somone who is perfectly capable to work but doesnt want to and keeps poping out more kids because they make more wellfare money that way.

[mietla]

How old are you Fruda if I may ask?

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Fruda
And $24,000 a year isn't even enough to pay for my dad's pills.

10 month year?

[Fruda]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
last time I checked Walmart has insurence benifits.  If not watch the comercial they run about having them.....apply there...then sue the crap out of them for false advertising.  

I feel your pain.....but quite simplie put....would you rather have, for lack of better words, wellfare going to people like yourselves that want to fend for yourself than to those who can work but simply don't.  There probably isn't one Conservative on this board that wants to see Americans starve because they can't fend for themselves.  What we don't want is a portion of our paycheck going to somone who is perfectly capable to work but doesnt want to and keeps poping out more kids because they make more wellfare money that way.

I completely agree with that. There's a guy who lives just a house over from me, and he was a disability fraud. He finally stopped the act and began to work, because he could. I think we need some sort of program that checks people FAIRLY, to see if they're in need of disability and further benefits.

To answer the question of the costs of my dad's medication: Like I said, a lot of his pills cost over a hundred dollars per bottle. He takes over twenty different pills every day, twice a day. Each bottle lasts about two weeks... So that's an average of $75 per bottle every two weeks, with Procrit four times a year at $400 each. It's over $6,000 a year for his medication. Then there's back payments for medical bills, which total over $1,260,000 (I'm not joking), house payments, taxes, miscellaneous bills (food, cable) and city bills. We'd barely make it with jobs if it wasn't for that huge back payment. And then we'd need insurance.

And mietla... What exactly is your problem? You're not making yourself look very intelligent or friendly with those comments.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Fruda

And mietla... What exactly is your problem? You're not making yourself look very intelligent or friendly with those comments.

That was not my intent.

I was sarcastic and perhaps sounded to harsh, but the truth is that what you've said really rubbed be the wrong way.

Your dad is disabled. I'm really sorry to hear that and if this is the case he (your dad) fully deserves the help from the rest of us. My question is where you and your brother come into it. That is why I've asked about your age. If you and your brother are under age and can't work, I have no problem with wellfare benefits of your dad extending to you two, but if you are capable and legally employable, I take your statement as an insult.

You simply state that you CHOOSE not to work for $6/hours. As a matter of fact you seem to sound insulted that someone might even suggest it. That is what I found offensive.


No one has a right to live off of someone else's labor. If I see someone in need, I have no problem with lending a helping hand, but I want to be a judge whether the help is warranted. What I have a huge problem with is the omnipresent welfare state where people who work hard and produce are robbbed by the government and the fruits of their labor are distributed among the likes of your neighbour.


I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and let you rephrase/explain your statement:
"And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour. "

P.S. I can assure you I do know what it means to be poor. I consider myself lucky that I've never had to ask others (via the government extortion) to contribute to me and my family. I've worked two and sometimes three jobs to provide for my family, and maybe that why I find your refusal to work because you think that the welfare state can provide more offensive.

[Fruda]

"I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box at $6 an hour and get everything we own taken away, along with our house." Is that better? Because that fits the situation.

It's not that I'm "choosing" to do so. I would work, but if I did, we'd be in deep ****. I'm 16, so I can't exactly do much more than that.

My brother is 19, still going through College (we get Financial Aid, which is no problem with the government). He wouldn't be able to get much better jobs than me.

Believe me... I would work; I want to work. It's just impossible with the situation we're in, and it's like this for a lot of people. That's why welfare is a good thing. But, as I said before, things are getting better. It looks as if money is going to come in, and I mean a lot of it. That means the back medical bills can be paid off, and we can get jobs.

And I thank you for being sarcastic rather than just being an bellybutton .

[CAVY]

Originally posted by Fruda
Dodging the fact that George Bush Sr. had even bigger tax hikes is beyond me. Clinton helped us recover from the Bush presidency. And refund checks? We (my family) never got anything like that, nor has anybody I know.

Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to make it with only $245 a month for food? That's all that the government is giving us (3 people in my house) for my Dad's disabilities. If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.

And my brother can't get a job, because if he did, the government would cut off our monthly food stamps (he'd also only be able to work at a place like Wal-Mart). And my dad can't work because he's really messed up from kidney and heart disease (among other things). And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.

If we didn't have these taxes and government programs, we wouldn't have a house, a car, food, or clothes. Two people working at Wal-Mart and Jack In The Box won't pay for half of what we have.

And those service jobs aren't meaningless. They're good for the person who's starting out --- Somebody with a small apartment and not too many things. But I'm saying that those people who lost their office and manufacturing jobs are working in service jobs now, making far less money than they actually need.

Those jobs are meaningless to people who once had jobs that payed over $45,000 a year. Don't take something out of the original context just because you're pissed off for some odd reason.

Im not pissed off at all... and I'm sorry to here about your family sir..That aside..If I had the unfortunate things happen to me like losing a job or some sort of uncontrolled tragedy, I would welcome ANY JOB that was offered to me I wouldn't sit behind the desk of a  $3000.00 computer talking to someone about it I would do everything I could to assist my family in any way I can.. it takes a bigger person to act than it does to sit and wait for a Gov't handout..... and i see the gov't is really taking care of you with your house car and computer...Your the first person I no that has openly admitted you are bilkng the system....You are the reason why the system is out of control..

[Heiliger]

I have two jobs Fruda, you can have one of mine.

[Nash]

This is wicked....

Just when CAVY shows up to regurgitate FOX, Frudu shows up to put a human face to welfare.

Frankly, I was shocked that he had the balls to admit it, considering this BBS. I almost thought it was a troll...

We've seen and heard from the ARRGH GRUMBLE cry-baby contingent plenty.....

It's great to finally hear from the likes of Fruda... who are actually having to deal with this stuff - fo real. Aint pretty. And it aint fair. But as far as this BBS goes, it's balanced.

[CAVY]

Originally posted by Nash
This is wicked....

Just when CAVY shows up to regurgitate FOX, Frudu shows up to put a human face to welfare.

Frankly, I was shocked that he had the balls to admit it, considering this BBS. I almost thought it was a troll...

We've seen and heard from the ARRGH GRUMBLE cry-baby contingent plenty.....

It's great to finally hear from the likes of Fruda... who are actually having to deal with this stuff - fo real. Aint pretty. And it aint fair. But as far as this BBS goes, it's balanced.

Im the first to tell you how ugly some situations are.... I see it everyday sir, and lived  it for 20 years of my life....As I said...it is sad to see some peoples situations..I just feel most people when given a chance to work, they would take it. Don't bite the hand that's willing to feed you.

[Ripsnort]

*Sigh* Why can't democrats learn to take responsibilities for their own actions instead of always playing the victim and pointing the finger at someone else ?!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139142,00.html