Author Topic: gameplay idea for those who fight.. (Read 4825 times)

Howitzer · « **Reply #30 on:** November 30, 2004, 12:26:54 AM »

It would be like tank town.. you wouldn't have to use it, but it may be a place to find a fight at 2 in the morning =)

GreenCloud · « **Reply #31 on:** November 30, 2004, 12:47:45 AM »

Please.. give us an..un porkable..furball island..or cv group please..

It would be great during the slow times in the MA

I thought thats why we didnt have it now....was we cant have soem bases..un-cacthable ---or un porkable..becuase how the rest are set up?

I dont like flying more then 5 miles for a fight...

Please make me waste less time grabbing virtual air liek a rook in a GhEy BAr

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 30, 2004, 03:47:11 AM »

can we have a cherry pick island??

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I dont like flying more then 5 miles for a fight

airstarts will suit u gamey instinct.

beet1e · « **Reply #33 on:** November 30, 2004, 04:10:26 AM »

I used to love the old mapwhine posts! I remember the map I designed for Lazs, with three overlapping fields, a fuel pipeline so as to prevent 25% fuel porkage, a bomber base (off map by 1000 miles) a token gesture CV pond, and a toolshed facility in a remote corner. One wonders how far this game must depart from reality in order for some people to have "fun". Unsinkable CVs - LOL!

As Jackal was quick to point out, if folks don't want their "fun" to be interrupted by the destruction of their fighter hangars, don't want to lose their radar (HQ porkage), don't want to have their fuel porked, don't want buffs of any kind for any reason - then the DA is there and is tailor made for these "fite guys" to have all the "fun" they want. (<- words in quotes require subjective interpretation) I used to shake my head in amazement that it wasn't more popular, until Midnight explained:

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Originally posted by Midnight
But the underlying reason that the "furballers" don't make the huge un-fettered fight they want in the DA. Simple... NO SCORES! No matter how many say, "What's rank" or, "What's a score", they still like to see the score. They still want all those other players to see "SoAndSo Landed 500 Victories in an Un-Uber Early War Plane"

Your Furball awaits.. go to it. I bet if HTC put a new score page up with DA ranks and scores, the DA would fill up almost instantly.

One of the best posts I've read in months!

Sig. material, but for the current rule governing sig length.

Yes, they want that scoreboard for the reasons Midnight says. But even then, they'd want the scoreboard to be "unquotable" so that folks like me could not use scores to make a point in a post. One thing I've come to realise on this board is that quoting the FACTS (using the scoreboard or a film) to counter furballer fiction/makebelieve is like Doctor Van Helsing holding out a crucifix in front of Count Dracula.

So yes, Midnight is right - a scoreboard is what's needed in the DA, but in order to guarantee complete satisfaction, make it so it cannot be quoted, or can only be seen by certain people.

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DA is a controled fight enviorment... For the most part. When people go in there for a fight, they set up merge alts, rules, fuel, planes, ect...

Maybe, but it needn't be. Put up a scoreboard in there, and see how quickly that changes.

Interestingly, I once suggested the converse - removing the scoreboard from the MA, and make it visible only when the current tour ends. I didn't think it would be popular though.

Redd · « **Reply #34 on:** November 30, 2004, 04:47:03 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
I used to love the old mapwhine posts! I remember the map I designed for Lazs, with three overlapping fields, a fuel pipeline so as to prevent 25% fuel porkage, a bomber base (off map by 1000 miles) a token gesture CV pond, and a toolshed facility in a remote corner. One wonders how far this game must depart from reality in order for some people to have "fun". Unsinkable CVs - LOL!

As Jackal was quick to point out, if folks don't want their "fun" to be interrupted by the destruction of their fighter hangars, don't want to lose their radar (HQ porkage), don't want to have their fuel porked, don't want buffs of any kind for any reason - then the DA is there and is tailor made for these "fite guys" to have all the "fun" they want. (<- words in quotes require subjective interpretation) I used to shake my head in amazement that it wasn't more popular, until Midnight explained: One of the best posts I've read in months! Sig. material, but for the current rule governing sig length.

Yes, they want that scoreboard for the reasons Midnight says. But even then, they'd want the scoreboard to be "unquotable" so that folks like me could not use scores to make a point in a post. One thing I've come to realise on this board is that quoting the FACTS (using the scoreboard or a film) to counter furballer fiction/makebelieve is like Doctor Van Helsing holding out a crucifix in front of Count Dracula.

So yes, Midnight is right - a scoreboard is what's needed in the DA, but in order to guarantee complete satisfaction, make it so it cannot be quoted, or can only be seen by certain people. Maybe, but it needn't be. Put up a scoreboard in there, and see how quickly that changes.

Interestingly, I once suggested the converse - removing the scoreboard from the MA, and make it visible only when the current tour ends. I didn't think it would be popular though.

Beet,

Send me over some of whatever you're smoking will ya

What on earth does any of this have to do with score.

I would like to be in an arena with lots of people , where lots of things are going on, sometimes I like to furball, sometimes I don't. I don't do buff's and Gv's - but I don't care if other people do.

A little corner poked away where I could go when I feel like it, knowing there's a nice little furball going on, that can't be broken up by the base-grabbers would be a good thing. If the plane set is early/midwar - even better .

It's not the DA - the DA is different.

Why do all you guys seem to have a problem with that ? How is it interrupting your gameplay ?

killnu · « **Reply #35 on:** November 30, 2004, 06:00:49 AM »

Why do all you guys seem to have a problem with that ? How is it interrupting your gameplay ?

thats easy, with all the furballers gone, who they gonna swoop down off their perches and BnZ?

beet1e · « **Reply #36 on:** November 30, 2004, 06:34:42 AM »

Hey Redd! What's OZ doing this cricket season? -would love to see 'em play...

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 30, 2004, 08:00:12 AM »

well... I can see that the bore and zoom guys are still in defensive mode... Score? LOL.... furball guys would get their score destroyed. Who cares? I have been taking off from vulched fields cause being vulched is still more action than 90% of the places to take off from these days. If I get vulched 10 times but get up and get a shot at 1 or 2 of em it is still more fun than avoiding fights all night.

midnight is a pony boy.. take a fast late war plane and fly it in a very timid manner and seem upset when the low slow moving targets don't want to play your timid game... Whats the matter? afraid that all you would have to play against would be other timid guys in late war planes?

I guess nothing has changed... the guys who would chose a late war plane still need the furballers more than the furballers need them.

If you need a late war plane and far apart fields then you probly get a little frieghtened when you hear that people don't want to be your targets anymore or that you may have to compete on an even basis... that is to be expected... at least be man enough to admit it like jb73.

I think the fear is that if the furballers went there then the timid boys wouyld have no on to play with but themselves and they know how boring that would be.

lazs

Midnight · « **Reply #38 on:** November 30, 2004, 08:13:15 AM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
If the DA had a 3-country setup in any of the areas for fighters like they do for the GVs it wouldnt be a bad idea.

There used to be an atol style land area (similar to AWIII Big Pac Furball Island) in the DA. There was 1 Rook, 1 Knight and 1 Bishop field on it. It was perfect for the endless 3-country furball.

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Originally posted by Redd
What on earth does any of this have to do with score.

There is no *Proof* that this has anything to do with score. There is only the simple FACT that the DA has been in existance for years and that the entire time, it could have been used for ANYONE to go there and fight in an endless, un-porkable, non-interuptable furball. So I am implying that the reason the furballers don't go there is because they want to see a score. They want to be able to have some metric to say how good they are in the furball and that there are not enough of them who mearly fight in the furball for the "fun of it"

I don't claim to be a furballer, however I am far from being a strat player or field capture player either. In fact, I have not put external ordnance on my P-51 in over a year. I also avoid flying with the "horde" because I dislike having to fight TnB style to get kills and I don't like competing for kills with cannon-armed aircraft.

What I do like to do is take off at a clear field, climb to around 15K and get near an enemy field that is launching multiple aircraft trying to go an attack a friendly field. Then I like to use E tactics to fight them as long as my ammo, fuel or advantage remains. Once I run out of any of the three, I get the heck out of there.

I guess overall, I don't care where the furballers have their fight, but I think the argument comes when the special area requests keep pouring in over and over again when the special area is already availble.

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:06:55 AM »

This is a community... people like to play in the large arenas.. score? DA? to point to the deserted da and score and say that they are "proof" that there are no furballers or that the furballers only care about score is like saying that...

Tjhe CT is deserted because the bore and zoom guys don't care about realism or immersion.... they don't like the CT because they have to compete on an even basis. When the ct has uneven planesets the people flock to the side with the best planes. Human nature. In those cases, just like in the MA... those people depend on the few who will fly the lesser planes so that they can be the thrower instead of the dodger in the AH version of dodgeball.

The bore and zoom guys like midnight depend on the furballers. They need us because if we left they would have to fight each other and they know how boring that would be. they depend on being higher than everyone else and untouchable.

The furballers on the other hand put up with it because it is the only game inm town. We are not doing what the bore and zoom buys think we are doing... we are only looking for an area where a good fight exists... when the bore and zoom guys or the fh or carrier desrtoyers show up.... it is pretty much the end... yu finish your sortie and wait for your buddies while searching the map for another place that might be fun...

sometimes you get some action going... if you do... the bore and zoom guys and toolshed killers won't be long in coming. When they show up the fun is about to end.... look for another place to fly..... rinse repeat.

Some small place on the map that is allways open for furball gtamelay seems a minor concession.

lazs

Redd · « **Reply #40 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:16:47 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Hey Redd! What's OZ doing this cricket season? -would love to see 'em play...

Well we've just given the kiwi's a bit of a spanking (finished today), and we're limbering up for pakistan ( think they arrive this week). One-dayers start soon.

Well fly down here beet - it's only 24 hours or so on a plane. Come to the Boxing Day Test at the MCG.

Hajo · « **Reply #41 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:24:55 AM »

Hey DipStick....I fly the 190A8....an the La5 too LOL

(but not much)

I do like to twist and turn in the FM2.....it's a H00T!

Honch · « **Reply #42 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:59:40 AM »

Midnight,

I’m not sure that I entirely agree with your reasoning for furballers preferring the MA to the DA either. Personally, I have several reasons to fly in the MA and they aren’t at all related to “score”.

The biggest reason to fly in the MA, for me, is community. Even if all of the T&Bs moved to the DA for the porkless furball, it would only be half of the community. – You and I would never have had that cool encounter we had last night and I sure would miss that sort of exchange.

The other reason I prefer the MA is because I like using the changing environment, dynamic situations, and unpredictability that the arena promotes, to try to gain advantages. For example – if the other guy thinks I may try to dive away to ack – he might over-commit on a pass and give me a chance to reverse on him. Those psychological elements are simply not present in the DA.

streetstang · « **Reply #43 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:16:14 AM »

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Interestingly, I once suggested the converse - removing the scoreboard from the MA, and make it visible only when the current tour ends. I didn't think it would be popular though.

Well, I can almost guarantee you that this will NEVER happen. But I would love to see this happen. Even if it were just for a tour or two. And Im talking get rid of stats period... No score, no rank no BS.... Just fly for the fun of it...

I can only imagine what fun it would be to have more people who dont give a rats bellybutton about dying because their K/D will suffer. It wouldn't matter then because there would be no K/D, no k/p/r, no hit %, none of the crap that keeps people careful and almost scared to die. Yep, it would be a hell of alot more fun for all I think that way.

Well lets not hijack this thread any longer beetle.

Maybe... god... Why am I saying this?!... Maybe you could come back to AH and then start a thread proposing this idea. I'd be for it.

Oh btw, I still hate you.

detch01 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 30, 2004, 10:48:59 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Some small place on the map that is allways open for furball gtamelay seems a minor concession.

An utterly reasonable request if you ask me. I might not make use of it all the time but I'd definitely use it occasionally if we could have something like this.

Cheers,
asw