Author Topic: Surly Drunk + Cop w/Taser = Comedy Gold! (Read 1851 times)

EN4CER · « **Reply #60 on:** January 08, 2005, 04:02:32 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
There are hundreds of other options besides electric shock. It's simply the easy way out.

List some for me please - I'd love to hear them - might be able to show my guys something new at Defensive Tactics Training. Regarding getting shocked multiple times - CHECKING THE BATTERIES and making sure they have enough power is the biggest problem with the Taser. No different than getting cops to try and clean their guns. At full charge 1 hit, maybe 2 and it’s all over with a Taser. 95% of perps after they had 1 taste of it - they submit.

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Apparently not if they have to use it over and over

The recovery time after a taser strike depends on the individual. Get a highly motivated subject, compound that with weak batteries, and you’re in for trouble if you deploy the Taser. That’s why Taser International came out with the X26 last year. It has a digital readout in the back of the gun that displays the percentage of power left in the battery. It’s a nice feature so the Officer knows whether or not he's got to change the battery before he fires the weapon.

rpm · « **Reply #61 on:** January 08, 2005, 04:08:56 PM »

How about simply overpowering the drunk with manpower? It seems to work on COPS all the time.

EN4CER · « **Reply #62 on:** January 08, 2005, 04:13:55 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
How about simply overpowering the drunk with manpower? It seems to work on COPS all the time.

Sometimes the utilizing the "Blue Octopus" as we call it is not always best. Someone usually gets hurt and besides you may not have that type of manpower available to you. Some small police jobs only have 2 or 3 cops covering x amount of square miles. Many times my own back up (1 guy) has been 10 minutes away. Again your getting into a wrestling situation that we're looking to avoid if possible.

Side Bar - Time Out - Taking a break RPM. Time to watch the Home Team make an attempt at a wild card spot. I've got my fingers crossed but I don't think Chad Pennington can pull the rabbit out of San Diego's hat. San Diego probably will stuff him in the hat.

Maverick · « **Reply #63 on:** January 08, 2005, 04:58:36 PM »

rpm,

Cops are paid to accept risks they cannot avoid while performing their job. Wrestling a drunk and injuring him as well as themselves is not a good option when a taser is available. Especially just because you don't like it. No Officer is paid to get injured or killed, that it might happen is understood but that is not their job. If you had ever done the job I imagine even you would understand that.

Grappling with an arrestee brings you in obvious close combat with an exceptional risk of injury or death if the suspect gets to your gun. As soon as you start to grapple with him you immediately place the weapon in arms reach. Dumb move if you have an alternative.

rpm · « **Reply #64 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:25:30 PM »

Mav, my whole point is using a device that obviously has the capability to disrupt and possibly stop his heartbeat is wrong. Find another way.

EN4CER · « **Reply #65 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:36:29 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
How about simply overpowering the drunk with manpower? It seems to work on COPS all the time.

By the way RPM - Thats one and counting - a few hundred more to go.

Trell · « **Reply #66 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:37:41 PM »

I see no problem with tasers for the police. but I also believe on very strict penalties for using one when it is unneeded. or to keep shocking people after they are done. that vid looks alright to me. but if a cop does use it essive or when it is not needed. I think they should be fired and thrown in jail, no second chances.

EN4CER · « **Reply #67 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:39:37 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Mav, my whole point is using a device that obviously has the capability to disrupt and possibly stop his heartbeat is wrong. Find another way.

Has not been proven!

EN4CER · « **Reply #68 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:41:16 PM »

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I see no problem with tasers for the police. but I also believe on very strict penalties for using one when it is unneeded. or to keep shocking people after they are done. that vid looks alright to me. but if a cop does use it essive or when it is not needed. I think they should be fired and thrown in jail, no second chances.

The new tasers have a built in chip that records Date, Time, and Duration of Firing. Only supervisors have software to access the chip via modem. Chip holds and stores up to 550 firings before it starts to write over.

Lizking · « **Reply #69 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:51:13 PM »

Another way without the risking disrupting his heart through electricity is with a gun-just blow out his kneecaps, maybe?

How about lay the nightstick upside his head? That will solve the problem without the risk of myocardial infraction.

Maverick · « **Reply #70 on:** January 08, 2005, 06:04:56 PM »

rpm,

My point is that actual combat has a history of far more injury and death to both the suspect and the Officer than does using a taser. It is the best way available. You do not speak from any experiance, I do. Deal with it.

BTW the reason the suspect got zapped was his own damn fault. Pain compliance is a part of defensive tactic training, using this device in this situation is far safer for everyone.

Fighting the Officer can cause a cardiac arrest for the suspect as well.

rpm · « **Reply #71 on:** January 08, 2005, 06:11:45 PM »

En4cer since you/CAVY are a cop you will never agree with me. But it is a stone cold fact that electric shock can disrupt a heartbeat. Tell me, how did cops take down drunks before tazers? Was it impossible? I'm not saying you offer them flowers or have a long walk on the beach with them. Simply that there are other alternatives besides using a tazer.

Lizking · « **Reply #72 on:** January 08, 2005, 06:14:29 PM »

Drinking enough to argue with Cops can stop your heartbeat, RPM. Why endanger the person doing the right thing, in favor of the moron breaking the law?

rpm · « **Reply #73 on:** January 08, 2005, 06:23:01 PM »

Because it's his job?

Lizking · « **Reply #74 on:** January 08, 2005, 06:29:34 PM »

He did his job, in a very proffesional and effective manner.