Lazs - London/New York crime trends - interesting article

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Swoop
Send our scum to a nice place like Oz?

Nah, we like the Aussies, after all we've gotta make up for sending em out there in the first place.  No we should send our scum to a country we don't like......like France maybe.

carefull talking about france like that.  Gonzo might call you a "right wing nut-job"

[Gonzo]

No, I'll reserve the title for you gunslinger.

[Toad]

Originally posted by beet1e

Geez, I'm fed up with being right.

Well, you were sure WRONG in the last thread.

[lasersailor184]

Wow, everyone's trying to blame or support something in some way or another.  But everyone's missing the obvious items.


Who says a Criminal needs to be stationary?

Crime in New York City is going down because the neighborhood is changing.

Crime is going up in London because the neighborhood isn't changing.


Of course the lack of firepower is helping also the police count.  But it's not the main source of what's happening.

[Wolfala]

One little known fact about the 22,000 robberies in the UK was the weapon of choice was a Soccer ball - a Spalding to be precise.

[storch]

Originally posted by Swoop
Send our scum to a nice place like Oz?

Nah, we like the Aussies, after all we've gotta make up for sending em out there in the first place.  No we should send our scum to a country we don't like......like France maybe.

Give them to the cloggies where capital punishment does not exist but if they get a hang nail they will be euthanized in short order.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
Well, you were sure WRONG in the last thread.

 

Good to hear from you here, Mr. Toad - glad you're still reading my threads!

Swoop - yes - your story sounds like one Dowding told a while ago. The police were ruthlessly efficient in processing a speeding prosecution, but could do naff all about his dad's bike being stolen.  My cynical side thinks they go after motorists, especially where the motorist is white middle class because they know these are the folks who will pay up without a quarrel. I was staggered to read some time ago that of all the fines imposed by the courts, 55% goes unpaid. (Not sure whether that was by total amount outstanding, or the number of fines imposed)

Lasersailor:

"Of course the lack of firepower is helping also the police count."

- An increasing number of police are now armed as a matter of routine.

Where's Lazs? oh wait, it's Monday. I think he will post at 14:40 - his usual time.

[lasersailor184]

Yes, but from what I understand Beetle, most of the time, the gun never leaves the car.

Unlike the New York police where most of the time, the gun never leaves their hip.

[Toad]

I looked at it for the article. I sure don't expect you to make a cogent argument anymore.

[lazs2]

Hmm... are you trying to prove that everything I ever say on the subject is right?

I say your crime is increasing and it's gonna get worse... first you tell me no and now you come up with this article..

I tell you that you will have to arm your police... you tell me no and then now you tell me yes... Armed police=more guns, less crime.

I tell you that we need tougher sentances and you prove it.

I tell you more guns equal less crime and you say... the article ommits the fact that 3 times as many states as a decade ago now have right to carry laws so... so what?   so it isn't a factor?  because the article refused to mention it?   more guns here equal less crime.   New york put more guns on the street(more cops) and the crime went down... I would bet there are more guns in the city too.

I say 3 strikes works and you prove it.

California is a 3 strikes state and a right to carry state.

My guess is that san fransico will have an increase in crime with their new gun laws.   You can prove that latter for me.

Washington DC has london like gun laws and london like crime..


so really... if you were a young and tough criminal and you knew that all of your victims were weaker than you and unarmed and that the police were also unarmed for the most part and spred thin....  and... if you got caught you might even be able to sue for damages...  why would you change careers?

nothing wrong with arming every law abiding citizen who wants to be...  even if you did only about 10% of the population would take on this responsibility in a modern country regardless of the threat.

guns are a boogey man that ignorant people use to explain why their societies are failing.

lazs

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
I looked at it for the article. I sure don't expect you to make a cogent argument anymore.

Ruh-roh - is this going to be the second longest sulk in history?

THIS... was the longest - started in 1975, and still going strong!



BTW Toad, I've added to that thread - the one in which you allege I was "wrong" - might want to take a look?

[Toad]

No point, Beet. Apparently you never understood the points of the discussion. It's clear you didn't read the supporting multitude of quotations; you pretend that just one person mentioned Bolshevism when it actually was essentially the entire cabinet, other politicians, the newspapers and the head of the Army General staff.

Not to mention what was happening at the same time in other countries, including the US.

No point in revisiting an argument you don't understand.

[lasersailor184]

From what I understand, CA is practically not a Right to Carry state.


In most places you can put "Self Defense" as a reason for getting a CCW permit.  From what I hear, this isn't good enough in CA.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
It's clear you didn't read the supporting multitude of quotations; you pretend that just one person mentioned Bolshevism when it actually was essentially the entire cabinet, other politicians, the newspapers and the head of the Army General staff.

Funny that - because I went into the library today, and looked up this book about British Political History 1867-2001. I found only one passage which referred to "Bolshevism" c1920 - and the book says the government took the threat very seriously. But that's all - no mention of paranoia and the suppression of an armed proletarian uprising - that is left to the American observers.

Toodle-Pipski

[Toad]

Find this book:

Jones, Thomas : Whitehall Diary: volume I: 1916-1925

I think you'll find it enlightening.