how iraq was, is, and shall continue to be a total f - up

[JB88]

dead.  you are my newfound temporary hero.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by JB88
dead.  you are my newfound temporary hero.

Basically, he's calling the UN useless.......you know that, right?

[patrone]

Originally posted by NUKE
dead, I pretty much agree.

I just wonder why Russia, China, and France never seem to do any "heavy lifting" in major UN security operations.

I ask you the same question as I asked Weaselsan, NUKE:
Who took US place after the horrible suicide bombing of the US camp in Lebanon, when US bailed out from this mission? Who took this dangerous mission, from what country?

[patrone]

and how many troops had US during the conflict in Bosnia?

[NUKE]

But patrone, why was it that the US was there to begin with?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by patrone
and how many troops had US during the conflict in Bosnia?

even one would be too many....it was a European issue...

Still we sent troops and a large air support.

[JB88]

Originally posted by NUKE
Basically, he's calling the UN useless.......you know that, right?

i happen to appreciate his articulation.  that and one of my greatest criticisms of the UN is how it is set up.  

i think its pretty obvious that the UN has a hard time accomplishing an objective without having it first be a state sanctioned one.

yet, i would argue that the UN remains influential if only to offer a world view, give a global heads up or down and act as a place for debate and disbursion of supply and security.

as dead has pointed out, it was set up to benifit the permanent members rather than really establishing equality for the whole.

perhaps the next world war will usher in a better model.

id like to think that it wont have to come to that.  but it probably wont.

so?

[NUKE]

and patrone, the US had about 20,000 troops in Bosnia, one third of all troops

[patrone]

Originally posted by NUKE
But patrone, why was it that the US was there to begin with?

Well, they where not there before and the left after the bomb, no shadow over US, it was the right thing 234 dead in one blow, thats a little to much. But, who took your place?

[patrone]

Originally posted by NUKE
and patrone, the US had about 20,000 troops in Bosnia, one third of all troops

In Bosnia or Kosovo?

[-dead-]

Originally posted by NUKE
Basically, he's calling the UN useless.......you know that, right?

No. You still haven't quite got the idea yet: I'm calling the US, UK, France, Russia and China particularly useless, and to a lesser extent the other member states. Although a lot of the third world deserves a mention for at least donating troops.

The UN has lots of uses —_and the organization has saved millions and millions of lives over the years.

[JB88]

patrone, you are talking about lebanon yes?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by -dead-
No. You still haven't quite got the idea yet: I'm calling the US, UK, France, Russia and China particularly useless, and to a lesser extent the other member states. Although a lot of the third world deserves a mention for at least donating troops.

The UN has lots of uses —_and the organization has saved millions and millions of lives over the years.

I got your point.

But, you have to concede that in fact, the UN is useless by your own definition. Sure, the host countries may be the cause, but the effect is that the UN is indeed useless.

I like it when someone helps me make my point with their own logic.

[JB88]

no.  it is not.

[patrone]

Originally posted by NUKE
I got your point.

But, you have to concede that in fact, the UN is useless by your own definition. Sure, the host countries may be the cause, but the effect is that the UN is indeed useless.

I like it when someone helps me make my point with their own logic.

The UN is as useless as the countries in SC wants it to be. Nothing more, nothing less.