Author Topic: What WWII guns do u have (Read 1830 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #75 on:** January 21, 2005, 02:51:14 PM »

patrone.. I have no idea what the laws are for a non citizen to bring guns over from another country but I would imagine that you would at least need to have an FFL dealer recieve them and then they would have to be registered... the full autos.... who knows? Some of the guys with full auto permits might know.

lazs

patrone · « **Reply #76 on:** January 21, 2005, 03:30:11 PM »

GS, It didnt cost me that much really. I had my own Gunshop as hobbie for like 6 years and a lot of the "winnings" where installed in the collection. Also there was a lot of trading this for that.
The bigest investment was actully the big safe, the guy asked 50,000 sek for it but I got it haggled down to 30 000 sek.

You must also remember, that the prices here, is no way near the high prizes of Norway. hear, time stood still since 1973, I got a HK 21 for 6000 sek (900$) a while ago.

Roughly, I estimate the real price for my total collection to be around 50,000 sek (8000$ )paid money, the value 250000 sek(40,000$)

Charon · « **Reply #77 on:** January 21, 2005, 03:48:47 PM »

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*lol* I kind of pictured you living in a cardboard box next to your six ton safe

Or maybe a room in the back of the safe

Kind of puts my 300 pound Sentry safe to shame. But I did nonly pay $250 for it at a Walmart.

Charon

patrone · « **Reply #78 on:** January 21, 2005, 03:59:49 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
How's the Swedish prices compared to the US? Norway and the US are pretty similar (Norway prolly being a bit more expensive).

I say the fifth of the price in USA, for "collectors weapon"

Well, a Machinegun, we say a Cal. 50 would be around 3 500 to 5000 sek, a Mp 40 about 2000-3000.

It really depends on what you are looking for. look at the catalog, most of these guns will go under 500 sek (80$). Because there is not a market for them. Its hard to get a permit and the collectors, shooters already have guns enough.

Not even the rarest items well go for much over the startbid

rshubert · « **Reply #79 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:12:53 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
patrone.. I have no idea what the laws are for a non citizen to bring guns over from another country but I would imagine that you would at least need to have an FFL dealer recieve them and then they would have to be registered... the full autos.... who knows? Some of the guys with full auto permits might know.

lazs

Unfortunately, the importation and/or manufacture of full auto weapons has been frozen in the USA, since 1984. No full auto firearm can be transferred to a civilian buyer that was not in the posession of a US civilian owner prior to (I can't remenmer the exact date) in 1984, some time in July I think. These rules do not apply to some dealers, or to police departments, or the government.

As to your semiautomatic and other weapons, you may be able to get them in. Contact an importer in the US, and have them imported for you.

~~shubie~~

patrone · « **Reply #80 on:** January 21, 2005, 04:18:49 PM »

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Originally posted by rshubert

As to your semiautomatic and other weapons, you may be able to get them in. Contact an importer in the US, and have them imported for you.

~~shubie~~

Thanks Shubie

I just convert em all to semis, then

Charon · « **Reply #81 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:13:53 PM »

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Thanks Shubie

I just convert em all to semis, then

Sorry to say, but I think they have limitations on that too. Once an auto, always an auto I believe. You might be able to use them as parts guns and by a third party, semi-only receiver.

Charon

patrone · « **Reply #82 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:23:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Charon
Sorry to say, but I think they have limitations on that too. Once an auto, always an auto I believe. You might be able to use them as parts buns and by a third party, semi-only receiver.

Charon

Thanks Charon for the Hint.

Charon · « **Reply #83 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:35:13 PM »

I think that is the deal patrone. I believe they are selling BARs now where they have to do that, and where the receiver has to be specially engineered so that you can't convert it back to full auto at some future date.

Charon

patrone · « **Reply #84 on:** January 21, 2005, 06:02:53 PM »

Yes, actully, I have seen a couple of thoose recivers already.
Still not really an option. It would mean that I still had to get ride of the original reciver: Wich would still be classified as a gun and need a permit, and I would need to scrape them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #85 on:** January 23, 2005, 10:05:49 AM »

shlotz... how much does a handgun cost there?

lazs

Bodhi · « **Reply #86 on:** January 23, 2005, 12:10:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Charon
Sorry to say, but I think they have limitations on that too. Once an auto, always an auto I believe. You might be able to use them as parts guns and by a third party, semi-only receiver.

Charon

That is incorrect Charon.

A fully automatic weapon such as say, a .50 cal, or a .30 cal when converted to a semi automatic mg, contains removal of the RH side plate and replacing it with another that is groved to only allow a semi auto bolt to fit. This is usually followed by three small welds on the bottom plate to the LH and RH side plate to make it extremely difficuly to remove the side plate with out tell tale damage remaining to prove you did it. This completely satisfys the BATF requirements for making it a semi auto.

Lastly, just an fyi, but the side plate is the only "licenesed" part of those weapons that requires paper work. It is not illegal to own a full auto bolt for either, possess a side plate without the paperwork, and you are as good as dead if they catch you.

Angus · « **Reply #87 on:** January 23, 2005, 12:20:36 PM »

From lazs2
"angus... I don't think you should have a gun. "

I don't think you should have one either.
I still have my 3, need at least one for the Job.
I however have no multi-round handgun, nor do I need one.

Charon · « **Reply #88 on:** January 23, 2005, 12:22:56 PM »

Interesting. Thanks, Bodhi.

Charon

patrone · « **Reply #89 on:** January 23, 2005, 12:43:15 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
shlotz... how much does a handgun cost there?

lazs

The Cheap Dollar makes US made Guns about the same price as the cheapest russian/Cz made stuff. But, it will not make any change on what people will buy.

Most shooters here has the Belgian made Unique 69 cal. 22 long and a SIG 47/8 or 210/6, many with dual cal. options 7.65/9 mm para.

We have some diffrent "targetshooting" traditions in Scandinavia and due to this, most shooters are engaged with plain targetsshooting in period late spring to early fall, then starts the "fieldshooting". Its a shooting that recuire a very fast and flatshooting bullet, due to the constant change of target-range. The best shooters use the 7,65 for this.

22. long is class C. cal. 30 (7.65) class B and 9 mm Para class A.
Revolvers are one class. Short barreled Revolvers are one class.
Then you have a special class for Magnum guns.

Most revolvers used are Mahurin cal. 38/32, (You see, when you only have the option to buy one gun, for each type of class, you simply buy the very best.)

Practical shooter go mostly for Italian (CZ) Tagfolio 9 mm para or they get some Custom made .45 ACP 1911 models.

In Sweden, a handgun is consider a tool of your sport. And you need a recommendation from your shooting club to be granted a permit. I think the rules are the same in Norway. And also the trend among shooters in general.

A Unique des 69 is around 900 EU and a SIG 210 1100
EU. a Mahurin rev. from 1500 EU.