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Offline Nash

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« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2005, 10:10:55 PM »
They're called "stimulators", Toad,  not "artificials". I think we've had that discussion.

But seriously... It's fascinating to me. I can't tell if when people buy into Libertarianism that they chuck reality to the curb, or if I'm just not understanding Libertarianism whatsoever.

A few questions:

As a property owner, can I put a net across a river that runs through my property?

If not, what law would forbid it?

As a parent, could I keep my children entirely out of the school system, teaching them Klingon instead?

If not, what law would forbid it?

As parent, could I keep my children from recieving critical medical help if it ran counter to my religeous beliefs?

If not, what law would forbid it?

What would the laws of the road be? Speed limits? Drunk driving? Reckless endangerment? Oh....all those same laws here too, huh?

Hows about emissions? No? Scrap all that?

Can I totally con people out of money under a Libertarian government?

Drugs..... everywhere and legal, right? Crack, PCP, coke, heroin... right from the local corner store, right?

If not, what law would forbid it?

Seriously... I don't get at all - one bit. But there's folks here who quite literally walked up to the ballot box a few months ago and sincerely asked for this to happen.

Just lookin' for a little light on it, is all.
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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2005, 10:17:07 PM »
The hell are you getting at Nash? You're jumping all over the place like a coked up ADD stricken tard.
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« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2005, 10:19:27 PM »
So what?
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« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2005, 10:20:45 PM »
So do you want to make out?
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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2005, 10:20:57 PM »
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They're called "stimulators", Toad,  not "artificials". I think we've had that discussion.


Hehe...I kinda thought so, just couldn't resist anyway :)

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But seriously... It's fascinating to me. I can't tell if when people buy into Libertarianism that they chuck reality to the curb, or if I'm just not understanding Libertarianism whatsoever.


Seriously. Define "conservatism". Or "liberalism". Then, if that doesn't convince you, let's discuss how the two major parties in the US relate to all that.

Dismiss this as silly if you like, but its your loss. Like I said in my prior post, there's plenty of serious discussion available out there if you really are interested.

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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2005, 10:26:02 PM »
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You have to be kidding me.


Nope.  With all the retardation on this board, I was thinking something like "Wow, a thread on a topic I'm interested in and can contribute constructively to."

But like I said, then I read it.  G'night.
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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2005, 10:31:11 PM »
Okay come on... Enough pointing me to websites or Libertarian literature and whatnot. I wouldn't have posted this if I didn't have even just a rudimentary grasp of it.

But here's my problem.

I see all these sorts of little policy statements, a whole ton of idealism, and nary a shred of how - when all these things come together to form reality - life would actually be under a Libertarian government.

I don't hear it there, I don't hear it here, I don't hear it with a spoon, I don't hear it in the afternoon, I don't hear it with a fox and I don't hear it wearing socks.

(and by "stimulators", it's a type of dry fly. There's no such thing as "artificials.")
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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2005, 10:31:56 PM »
The light is on at the Lib web site.

Tune in, turn on, understand.

It's not like it's a real difficult concept. Well, if you read up on it.
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« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2005, 10:40:43 PM »
Well, I did Toad... I have.

I even watched a coupla hours worth of that Micheal (that his name?) talking about it a few months ago.

I still don't get it. I'm sorry.

No amount of linkage is gonna help at this point, I'm afraid.

Really... There's nobody here who can put Libertarianism into a day-to-day man-on-the-street reality format for me? Just a coupla paragraphs?

S'all I'm asking.
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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2005, 10:50:04 PM »
Ponder this.

We read that website and guess what? It puts Libertarianism into a day-to-day man-on-the-street reality format for most of us.

Sorry.
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« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2005, 10:58:21 PM »
Oh yeah.... like I've got a birth defect or something. (shaddup don't answer that).

I guess what you're saying is that you read all their positions, and fashioned up a scenario in your head of what life would be like.... day to day life... under a Libertarian government... correct?

I couldn't. I couldn't put those peices together. I couldn't shape them into anything resembling a viable reality.

So congrats to you.... that's just great. But I'm lookin' for a little help here with this. And you come off as just bragging because you happen to get it.
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« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2005, 11:04:50 PM »
Nash, perhaps the problem is that you've already, in your mind, trivialized the issue. That's what makes you think you can easily compartmentalize it. "Day to day life under a Libertarian government", indeed.

Substitute "conservative", "liberal", "nazi", canadian", whatever you like for "Libertarian" in the above scenario and then YOU summarize it in a couple of neat paragraphs, eh? :)

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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2005, 11:08:18 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2005, 11:10:21 PM »
Well true.

I guess I would explain both liberal and conservative as what we have right now. A mix... and the day-to-day life, my rights, my interactions with the private and public sector, not much different no matter which of those two is at the helm.

So to explain it really wouldn't amount to much more than "see?"

But Libertarianism is... different.

Okay, how about this. What changes?
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« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2005, 11:10:45 PM »
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Republican Light or Armed Liberals... take your pick. :)


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