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Steve · « **Reply #150 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:52:33 PM »

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no, but an educated populous and a group of enlightened stockholders could put a foot right up its butt if they wanted too.

Man, this sounds good to me.

JB88 · « **Reply #151 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:55:28 PM »

its not the governments responsibility to route out anything but that which is ILLEGAL. it sets up the rules of conduct and executes the warrant.

there are plenty of targets in that department who have raped and pillaged others and have fudged the numbers for thier own benifit. i would like to see them taken down where they stand.

martha stewart just wasnt enough. sorry. friend of GB or not. they need an asshand.

i am 88's sense of democractic accountability.

Urchin · « **Reply #152 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:56:32 PM »

No, we aren't making the same point. I'm saying that is is WRONG to pass that cost on, you on the other hand are saying that not only is it right, it is the only thing to do. I'm asking you to explain why.

Steve · « **Reply #153 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:57:21 PM »

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Yes... when one sees "average" that typically means it is applicable to the whole. At least, that is the way it works in math,

Bear with me, I think I missed something. Are you saying the examples you gave are typical(average) for American companies?

Steve · « **Reply #154 on:** March 13, 2005, 03:58:51 PM »

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I'm saying that is is WRONG to pass that cost on, you on the other hand are saying that not only is it right, it is the only thing to do. I'm asking you to explain why.

I am not saying it is the only thing to do. I'm saying that a company has a right to determine what it charges for goods/services and what it pays employees. Are you saying a company does not have this right?*

Edit: Or should not have this right?

Steve · « **Reply #155 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:00:07 PM »

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there are plenty of targets in that department who have raped and pillaged others and have fudged the numbers for thier own benifit. i would like to see them taken down where they stand.

me too.

Sled · « **Reply #156 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:00:42 PM »

153 post and counting!!

My thread is kicking A-s!!

JB88 · « **Reply #157 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:02:12 PM »

what we agree to pay is what we pay.

that is how the market works. we have set up a system which disavows monopolies so that we will have that choice.

i am not however comfortable paying the exhorbitant fees of CEO's while they are laying off workers or shirking all social niceties.

so, were i to be pragmatic, i would seek out a list of said corporations and make them public. i would then make a list of thier products that i could boycott. i would also make a list of companies who do not appear to be involved in any major way in such practices. i would buy thier things.

i would send a letter to x company informing them that i will not prop up thier culture and that i will be selling thier stock and no longer shopping with them.

i would send another letter to good company saying keep up the good work.

one person.

now what if 2...i mean 2....

(see alices restaurant...lol)

you get my drift.

of course...even though it makes sense to excercize this freedom...there would be those who would label me a wacko nutjob.

i am 88's sense of personal freedom.

Sled · « **Reply #158 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:03:27 PM »

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I am not saying it is the only thing to do. I'm saying that a company has a right to determine what it charges for goods/services and what it pays employees. Are you saying a company does not have this right?*

YES THEY DO Steve!

You know who else has rights? The employees have a right to form a bargining unit (union) to negotiate with the company a fair wage. Are you saying they DON"T have that right?

Urchin · « **Reply #159 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:07:24 PM »

In cases where the words "average" was used, yes, I am saying that would be typical behaviour for an American company. For instance, the "average" CEO makes XXX times more than the "average" employee, implies that some means of taking the average of the whole was used to work out a figure that would represent the whole sample. That may actually be the definition of an average, I'm to lazy to look.

As far as companies passing costs on to the consumer when the rising costs are merely trimming into an already absurd profit margin... yes, I am saying that companies should not have that "right". I realize that as a devotee of free market government, you will find that view abhorrent.

JB88 · « **Reply #160 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:09:36 PM »

nice quote there urchin.

Urchin · « **Reply #161 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:13:40 PM »

Yea, he is a dirty communist though... don't carry much weight on these here boards.

JB88 · « **Reply #162 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:15:45 PM »

FDR wasnt a communist. he brought america out of the depression through the new deal by offering a hand when it was needed. depression is a larger term than economics as well i might add.

to call him a communist...well, thats just silly.

NOTE: i lost everything in hurrican IVAN. FEMA gave me a little sumthn sumthn...not much, but it was nice to have when it happened. paid for a few things without leveling my saving. it was nice to have.

guess i am a commie too cause i took it.

or was that one of the reasons that i pay taxes? hmmmm.

Urchin · « **Reply #163 on:** March 13, 2005, 05:06:13 PM »

Shut up, commie. You might infect the real Americans on this board.

Steve · « **Reply #164 on:** March 13, 2005, 05:47:54 PM »

Urchin, we were still talking about minimum wage, not how much CEO's make compared to their employees.

FYI 21% profit margin is a long way from abhorrent.

As for CEO compensation, I am not sure we really disagree here. Let me explain: I feel, as I've already posted in this thread, that any officer who votes himself/herself a pay raise and/or bonus while the company is in the red, layoffs are looming, benifits being reduced, etc, that said officer is a greedy, immoral jackarse.

OTOH, do you not agree that any person in the US is entitled to make as much money as they can get? Land of opportunity?
Ideally, these persons are not making money while others in their organization are not being failry compensated.