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Offline ygsmilo

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« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2005, 09:50:28 PM »
The wild card was in Rolex's post:  the Japanese.

How do you think they would react to any aggression by the CHICOMS against Taiwan?

There is a huge amount of bad blood (no pun intended) between them.

On the economic side of things, just one of my crazy little thoughts, when it comes to the treasurys that the CHICOMS are long- void them.  Thats right void them, crazy right.  All I know when soybeans were $12/bu. last year those stupid tards (the CHICOMS) were long many, many boats of them and all of a sudden the bean market goes to $7 dolla, you talk about a Chinese fire drill,,,   me no buy those beans, must be other soybean crusher, me no pay for those beans so fruk you American weazel !!!!!!

Think I am kidding, between Bunge, Cargil, ADM and a host of others the losses were in the 100's of millions of dollars no only on the physicals but demerge reselling etc.  So guess what now, CHICOMS wanna buy beans its done on a FOB basis ( google it ) not in the mood to explain.

All of a sudden USA economy is no good, world economy is no good and everyone is back to an even playing field.

Just one of my crazy thoughts.

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« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2005, 09:55:47 PM »
Milo, we need to do lunch... Friday with Rude and I?
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« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2005, 10:00:05 PM »
the US does not have to invade china, it only has to defend Taiwan.

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« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2005, 10:29:11 PM »
I think we established earlier that the US in fact no longer has a treaty obligation to defend Taiwan from aggression.  Someone posted that the agreement expired in 1980 and was not renewed; no one challenged.

China has time on its side - why would they do anything before the EU vote anyway?

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« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2005, 12:42:21 AM »
Something else to think about: Why would China announce something like that? Surprise attack would work so much better.

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« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2005, 05:37:37 AM »
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Let's see here. We can't even control the road between Baghdad and its airport, and you think we can conquer China?

Are you on dope?


baghdad?  we can't even control our borders.  the liberals have turned us into a nation of limp wristed carpenter's album buyers (well most of you anyways) and latte drinkers.  we have the first good shooting war in 40 years and recruitment into the armed services is on the decline.  next thing you know they will be required to inintiate the draft and then we'll be really screwed.  we have become soft.  we might put together a sound military by doing what the romans did when they went soft, namely offering citizenship to people who would serve in our armed services for twenty years.  we would get some rough and ready central americans in here and that would solve two problems.  oh and euros need not apply.  :D

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« Reply #81 on: March 15, 2005, 06:13:11 AM »
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You know what the sad thing about China is to me? It's that the US has historically been a friend of China.

The Chinese are good people and they have a pretty peaceful history. It's sad that they are under the hand of oppressive communism.


Maybe, but then it wasn't so long ago american survelliance planes were coming back in boxes.
I personally think it is only saber rattleing by the Chinese. The obsession by the world on the war on terror has taken alot of the spotlight off the Chinese. I find it hard to believe they would suddenly simply up the ante over Taiwan unless there was a real raised concern over future of the island. This could be the Chinese way of rapping Taiwans knuckles over edging towards independance.

It is an interesting senario indeed, if the final step to invasion was attempted by the chinese. After all we now live in a world where percieved threat real or unreal are tacit approval for military action and cries of liberation mute any close inspection of truth until it's all too late.

If the Taiwanese did claim independance it would place great pressure on the allied "coalition of the willing" whose populace would have zero patience for military action. However...the US did not go to war with Russia over Chechyna - but then Chechyna did not have the same relationship as Taiwan.

The Chinese could take the island, but with much difficulty. If the JSDF, and the US Navy were positioned in strength - that is another issue altogether.

I think the argument could be once action was taken, how do you win such a war?

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« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2005, 08:33:28 AM »
The JSDF is currently constitutionally prohibited from such as action, so they are out of the scenario. The Japan/Taiwan/China relationship is convoluted and as foggy as the US/Taiwan/China relationship. But Japan has been more direct than the US. The US, more or less, washed its hands of the issue with the 'one China' policy. I believe that is the path the US will take.

The pro independence political faction in Taiwan has been rattling the cage a little too vocally in the eyes of China's leaders and this is a reminder to them that reunification is not an 'if', it is a 'when.' China will not fade on Taiwan reunification and I'm of the opinion that this current generation of Chinese leaders would like it to happen on their watch. The new law still emphasizes a peaceful reunification, but says that a formal move toward Taiwan independence or the failure of a negotiated reunification could result in military action. I see it as a clear message to the west that China will do things their way, and don't even think about challenging our intended leadership in Asia.

The Chinese premier was painfully and unwaveringly clear in his statement that China would allow no foreign intervention on the issue. He spoke it with a slow and deliberate style that was tailored linguistically and in delivery to be clearly understood by the United States government and by the people of the United States. It was delivered specifically for US consumption in Bush-style language and mannerism, as in: "Don't even think about interfering in our business..."

Was he shown on any American TV news, or was it just reported? I'm curious.

The Japanese have invested heavily in Chinese factories and Taiwan factories as well. When people think about Chinese imports to the US, they usually don't grasp that Japan has supplied most of the electrical components, built the Chinese subsidiary assembly plant, or supplied the machinery to operate the plants. In essence, the China trade surplus is partially a Japanese trade surplus. China has tacked on about 50% added value.

Japanese and Chinese politicians are at odds with their business leaders on policy. The financial and business communities are plugging away in the hope that the continually growing commerce will influence the politicians to back off the rhetoric and maybe even get along. Unfortunately, people like Tokyo Governor Ishihara (who is actually quite insane) get reelected with over 70% of the vote by saying things like, "Nanking never happened," or, "Asia wanted to be colonized by Japan," or, "All Chinese are all sneaky thieves." What does China have to do with running the police or fire departments in Tokyo? I guess it just proves that politicians and voters everywhere are not much smarter than cabbages.

There is no getting around the fact that Koizumi's continued support and visits to Yasakuni are a major stumbling block to political normalcy between China and Japan. (Note: Yasakuni is the Japanese war dead memorial where WWII Class A war criminals are entombed in addition to other military members. It is a Shinto shrine run by right wing nationalists who believe the war was a just cause and the emperor should be returned to power.)

Japan is not in any position to challenge any Chinese military action against Taiwan or anywhere else, except Japan. But China and Japan are not in any real danger of a major conflict. The only way Japan would be in danger is if the US decided to defend Taiwan. All bets are off if that happens.

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« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2005, 11:32:50 AM »
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Tokyo Governor Ishihara (who is actually quite insane) get reelected with over 70% of the vote by saying things like, "Nanking never happened," or, "Asia wanted to be colonized by Japan,"  


I never knew Bolshevik Bob Boroda had a brother! And a successful politician too!
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« Reply #84 on: March 15, 2005, 11:54:18 AM »
Boroda is a mild case compared to thier politician, Zhirinovsky. He's like a commie version of Hitler.

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« Reply #85 on: March 15, 2005, 12:39:50 PM »
The USA would not enter in a war with chinese over Taiwan's independency.
If would, the troops would be withdrawn within few months due to public opinion and economical pressure.

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« Reply #86 on: March 15, 2005, 01:04:28 PM »
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The USA would not enter in a war with chinese over Taiwan's independency.
If would, the troops would be withdrawn within few months due to public opinion and economical pressure.

aren't you on airhead's list?  you need to be.  :D

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« Reply #87 on: March 15, 2005, 02:01:46 PM »
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So what if China takes Taiwan? It's their business and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it if they do decide to take it today,tomorrow or in 10 years from now.

Some of you have such a blind obsessed view of China it's quite amazing.


...-Gixer


Actually if they did it would have a massive economic effect on all our countries gixer, especially anything with a piece of silicon in it. Once again your lack of understand and immaturity shine through. Even China's simple posturing has massive repercutions for businesses.

However, IMHO one day in the near future Taiwan will want to join China as a state or province once the Chinese economic freight train becomes a little more rational.

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« Reply #88 on: March 15, 2005, 02:09:34 PM »
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Why are you sick that things are make in China?

I'd be sick if things were made in Poland, but China makes some good stuff when told exactly how to manufacture a western product.

Poland is a lost cause.


Hmm. Generalisations again?

I'll prefer almost any stuff made in Poland to the same thing made in China. At least if Chinese thing isn't manufactured by government company, but even government companies make exellent BBK DVD-players with DiVX support and crappy Huawei cell-phones.

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« Reply #89 on: March 15, 2005, 02:19:12 PM »
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Something else to think about: Why would China announce something like that? Surprise attack would work so much better.


From comments I have heard here - http://echo.msk.ru/interview/35119/ - the problem is that Kuomintang lost the elections at Taiwan, and a new president may declare Taiwan independant, while Kuomintang always said that Taiwan is a part of China, while PRC are "rebellious provinces", at the same time PRC says the same thing about Taiwan :)

It's oriental mind, we can't understand them. Some formal things may be vital for them. As long as Taiwan keeps hallucinating about being the real "Republic of China" - there is no serious problem for PRC.

BTW, PRC has a special attitude to former independant provinces or colonies: "One country - two systems". Hong-Kong and Macao are still capitalistic, more to say - immigration from China to Hong-Kong is not allowed...

Mao said: "Let hundreed flowers blossom" :) Think about it ;)