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« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2005, 01:36:35 PM »
Creamie has a crush on everyone ...



I can hear him licking his chops from here :D

now Nuke has way too much time on his hands ...   Get a Job you Bum !!! :p
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« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2005, 01:40:03 PM »
Did I survive Creamo's intense investigation of myself, or did he just pass out.....only to come back stronger and more brilliant than before?

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« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2005, 02:06:55 PM »
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Heh, give it time.

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« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2005, 04:39:24 PM »
Thank you for pointing out it was a lie.  I genuinely would never have suspected it, would not expect anyone to say such things.

Sorry i got duped and posted it here. :(
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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2005, 05:06:11 PM »
You guys watching the KIA lists need to know something...  Soldiers who are mortally wounded in Iraq but die an inch out of Iraq may not necessarily get reported on those lists or in the news.  There are many soldiers who are very gravely wounded who survive long enough to be evacuated, then die later.  It is my understanding that these deaths are not tallied up on the same lists as the one who actually die in Iraq.  Do a search for the number of "casualties" in Iraq and you'll see what I mean, as that number totals many thousands of soldiers that survived with wounds of various severity and were evacuated.

I'm not making an opinion about the truth of any of the BS that went on in here, because regardless of who is right and who may not be telling the truth, Nuke came across like a total tool and not one of you guys has listed a reference to the COMPLETE list of those killed as a result of combat operations in Iraq.  Even if the death was a fraud, there are far more appropriate ways to bring it up than how Nuke did.

Sorry Nuke, I know you meant well but that's how I see it.

In the Voss incident, several MONTHS of research was accomplished before the whistle was blown, in order to ensure a degree of fairness in case we had things wrong.  I thought it was disturbing and unfair how Nuke went about his character assassination.  Whether it was a justified shoot or not, the way it was done was total bullsheite.  Good on Skuzzy and HTC for trying to maintain the integrity of the boards, but frankly I'm suprised Nuke made it back in here because shouting the truth in a degrading or insulting manner just brings everyone down, and re-instating Nuke's BBS access pretty much gives full approval to his inappropriate method.  Others have been banned for far less, even when they were right, simply because their presentation was wholly inappropriate.
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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2005, 05:15:02 PM »
eagle, you ought to see what alison has to say about it on her webpage.

She goes on and on about "cristy" hacking into her and her dad's computer, then stealing their ip.

Then as an afterthought, she mentions Brian and how the Muslims murdered him.

It's a joke. I'll bet that if I hadn't gone in there and make a ruckuss, they'd probably be asking for donations for "Brian" by now.

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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2005, 05:22:57 PM »
Nuke,

Dude, even if you're 100% right, you went about it in a very aggressive fashion.  You didn't get (temporarily) banned for no reason, you got bonked because even if you were right, it was an inappropriate way to bring out the facts.  A lot of people had their suspicions, me included, but even the most skeptical were shocked by your posts.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for exposing what now appears to be a fraud, but in the back of your mind you ought to think about the possibility that you could have been wrong.  You offended a lot of people in the last couple of days, even people who were pretty sure you were right.
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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2005, 05:25:28 PM »
Eagl you are 100% right on this one.
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« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2005, 05:30:50 PM »
Eagl,

Do you have any thoughts about the people who made the whole story up, or are you just shocked at my posts?

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« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2005, 05:38:17 PM »
Nuke, your behavior was entirely inappropiate and disgusting.  You just don't do what you did without absolute proof.  Even then, doing so is very dangerous.

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« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2005, 05:38:42 PM »
Nuke,

I can't speak for anyone else, but...  when there's a risk that you're wrong about something like this, it's really good to check your response.  I don't think stuff like that merits banning or anything, I'm not a big fan of censorship, but if you were wrong, it could have really hurt someone.  If that is an acceptable fail-case for you, then so be it.  But be aware of that fail-case and make sure it's what you're ok with.

Myself, I'd get confirmation before I activated flamecannons.

That's just my opinion.
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« Reply #71 on: March 18, 2005, 05:41:34 PM »
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Nuke, your behavior was entirely inappropiate and disgusting.  You just don't do what you did without absolute proof.  Even then, doing so is very dangerous.


What I did was disgusting?? What about what THEY did??

you know what? It's a BBS on the internet and I saw a BS story and told them I thought the story was a lie because that's exactly what I felt.

I'm not going to take some liars on a BBS for face value.

 
You want post things like "my cat died" on a BBS, then you should expect any reactions you get.

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« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2005, 05:52:42 PM »
One thing tho- Nuke wasn't wrong. I read the thread and it was obvious they were all the same person and equally obvious Brian would soon die in Iraq- in fact I laughed when he finally died, it was so scripted in advance.

Also Nuke was publicly reproached by Skuzzy and he acknowledged his vocifirous questioning of the existance of Brian was wrong, and acknowledged "next time" he'd act differently.

The amazing part to me is the people who actually lied to legitimize this fraud...that's the part I don't get.

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« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2005, 06:08:03 PM »
She sounds all busted up about Brian. Just think, this is more than likely some dude on the internet making up this garbage and some of you are worried about me telling him I thought he was lying?

Sounds more concerned about her AH account than Brian.

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OK since I kno wthe computers and my dad doesn't I'll put this here
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thank you to everybody that cares.
I heard about what happened on teh message board, dad ran a trace program on my laptop since out computer was screwed up, if you see cristy, tell her thanks a friggin lot for stealing the ip address to this computer and feeding those dam threads to the point that skuzzy thinks we have shaded accounts on this computer, and deleted both mine and my dads account.
But on teh subject of deleted accounts, if anybody else got deleted I'm sorry, we had nothing to do with that .
But I'm at the point I really don't give a dam if my account is deleted or not because I don't feel liek flying anyway.
But its pretty screwed up that nuke would start what he started just to put doubt in everybodys miond about weather or not Brian was dead alive or even existed in teh first place. HE DID EXIST DAMIT, I WAS GOING TO MARRY HIM. BUT THE MUSLIMS BASTARDS KILLED HIM.
I'm not going to bother explaining anything to skuzzy because he does what he feels he has to do with what little info he gets.I told dad not to bother too.
It was real fun flying with everybody and makeing friends on here, I actually had the first fun I had in a long time in Aces High. Now its gone too, dad deleted it from teh computer at my request I just don't want the gripe that I know would come about if we did start flying again, it'd just be a slinging session again anyway, and I'm over the slinging.
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« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2005, 06:14:10 PM »
Nuke,

Honestly I'm reserving my opinion because I don't have all the facts and haven't done any research.  I was skeptical about the story before you first posted, and I'm skeptical now.  

On the other hand, I know that for a great number of people, the internet itself is one big fantasy game where they can play out roles that they can't reach in reality.  Some of those roles are "honorable", using our AH scenario designers and commanders as examples, and some of those roles are sick, using guys who pretend to be girls as examples.  In either case however, it's playing a role and while I find the sick ones to be distasteful, the mere fact that someone is playing a role has not shocked me since I logged into my first BBS 20 years ago using a 300 baud modem and a commodore 64.

Sick?  Maybe.  Sad?  Definately, but I also consider "normal" players who are addicted to AH to be a touch sad too.  I'm willing to call a liar a liar if I can prove it, but I try to be very very careful about challenging people's online persona.  Part of that is because I have never used an online persona that is any different than who I am.  When I log on, regardless of my ident, I present myself as who I am, and I thank HTC for maintaining the privacy of their clients who choose to use "shades" accounts.  I do not pose as anything but who and what I am, even if I'm being "not eagl" (boring).

So for me to challenge someone online over a matter of their persona is a pretty big deal to me.  It took quite a bit of time before I got publically involved in the whole Voss thing because I knew how I'd feel if I had some real life problems and people gave me a hard time about it.  I'm usually non-confrontational by nature (hard to believe sometimes but it's the truth) so I lean towards the cautious side when confronting people over a lie.  I guess that makes the opposite approach even more repulsive to me just on general principle.  I simply don't go up to funerals and demand that they lift the coffin lid, because it's rude and even if the coffin is empty, it's still the wrong thing to do.  There are better times and methods for that sort of thing.

For a slightly more direct answer to your question, "Yes", I find fradulent presentations involving the military and hardships/death to be repulsive.  They need to be exposed so nobody else gets hurt or deceived.  However in this case I have no proof either way, and I was taught that in the absence of proof the right thing to do is to either find a polite way to investigate and bring out the truth if it's really that important, or to shut up and give them the benefit of the doubt if it's not that important.  

Buyer beware is a pretty good assessment of the state of the intardnet right now, and giving money or personal information out on the web without some sort of hard proof is a foolish but usually non-fatal error to make.  Risking the possibility of challenging someone who is going through a genuine tragedy is a big deal when the alternative is, as in this case, a reasonably harmless charade.

But really that's just my opinion.  Everyone has their own way of reacting to such things and I know that in the past I've been less forgiving of such charades.  The internet used to be more "real" to me because I was a comp sci geek and never was comfortable doing the role-play thing online except within the framework of an actual game.  I had a great usenet flamewar with DoK Gonzo over this around 8 years ago, and looking back on it we were both right considering that to me the internet was "reality", and I think that to DoK the internet (forums, bbs, whatever) was just an extension of "the game".

Some people get really wrapped up looking at the intardnet from their own perspective.  I still view the internet as "real" in the same way that those old D&D games were never much more than a bunch of dice and rules to me.  It's completely different to a lot of other people and while I may not like what people do, say, or present on the intardnet, I try to understand that to some people it's all part of their game, an escape from reality.

What a damned wishy washy reply, but really I don't know all the facts in this case so I'm not going to condemn anyone's story in here without being certain.
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