Chinese begin to worry U.S. militarily

[lada]

Originally posted by Raider179
China will take taiwan back.

When exactly did china lost Taiwan ?

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by lada
When exactly did china lost Taiwan ?

Not sure if any western nations tried to settle it, the Dutch named it Formosa in the 1600s.  I do know in 1895 China signed a treaty ceding the rights to Taiwan to the Japanese.  After Chiang Kai-shek's troops lost to the Communist takeover, they retreated to Taiwan.  Killed alot of the locals too.  AFAIK, its stayed separate ever since.  Most of the Democratic reforms that have come along recently were a result of a riot in 79 (cant remember what they called it right offhand).  It took them a long time to get to where they are now, I dont blame them in the least for not wanting to go back under Chinese rule.

[lada]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Not sure if any western nations tried to settle it, the Dutch named it Formosa in the 1600s.  I do know in 1895 China signed a treaty ceding the rights to Taiwan to the Japanese.  After Chiang Kai-shek's troops lost to the Communist takeover, they retreated to Taiwan.  Killed alot of the locals too.  AFAIK, its stayed separate ever since.  Most of the Democratic reforms that have come along recently were a result of a riot in 79 (cant remember what they called it right offhand).  It took them a long time to get to where they are now, I dont blame them in the least for not wanting to go back under Chinese rule.

ummm and what about Gou ming dang ?

you somehow excluded them from your fairytail

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by lada
ummm and what about Gou ming dang ?

you somehow excluded them from your fairytail

lada I dont know.  My interests mainly have been in WWII era China.  What little I know of modern issues there are a result of being interested in Japanese/Chinese relations (since my wife and her family are Japanese), and has come from what I find to read (mostly on economic issues) and a few friends I have here who happen to be Chinese-Americans.  I've never heard of what you are speaking of.  I also wasnt trying to make it sound like my knowledge was all-encompassing.  You asked a question, I gave you what I know.  Its not a fairy tale, its just the extent of my knowledge.  If it's wrong, I'll be happy to be educated.

[Gixer]

Nuke,

Your completely wrong about China, and your opinions are a typical sterotype of China as it was 30 years ago. It's a completely different country today and you should take the time to update your ideals and make your own opinion on personal interaction and experience.  Rather then anti communist and political propergander.

 
...-Gixer

[NUKE]

Gixer, what am I wrong about? I am saying that China does not have a free economy and I was referencing the source that Dead provided.

I don't need to interact with the Chinese to know about their government and it's oppression of the people.
Just like any other country, I have nothing against the Chinese people.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by NUKE
Gixer, what am I wrong about? I am saying that China does not have a free economy and I was referencing the source that Dead provided.

I don't need to interact with the Chinese to know about their government and it's oppression of the people.
Just like any other country, I have nothing against the Chinese people.

Nuke,

Well I'm not going to get into the free economy debate as I don't have the time. But you keep on saying that they are an oppressed people. In my visits to China and experience with Chinese here and in other countries I've yet to see how they are an oppressed people. They all seem as happy as anyone else to me especially the current generation and enjoying the  economical boom and opportunities in China and overseas like here in NZ.

True you don't have to visit the country or interact with the people, but your opinion is certinly that of someone that hasn't and it shows in every one of your posts on China. It's not China that's oppressed and dated, it's your  opinion.


...-Gixer

[NUKE]

Gixer, you honesty believe that the Chinese government does not oppress it's people?

Why don't you ask one of your Chinese friends to start a website based in China with the topic of freedom of religion or democracy or something similar and see how long he's around.

Maybe stage a protest against the government like what happened in 1989 and see how long he lives.

[Gixer]

Nuke,

Like I said, every post.  

Anyway, I have to go drawl over a friends new ride. Have a good day.


...-Gixer

[Raven_2]

to NUKE

>>Maybe stage a protest against the government like what happened in 1989 and see how long he lives.

I wonder: how long non sanctioned anti-Bush demonstartion would lives in USA?

BTW, in 14.000.000 people being arrested every year USA and 5.000.000 were in jail in 1996. Top record. Chinese still have something to learn from you.

And again: China`s borders are open, but still there is not so much emmigrants. Why? Masochism? They like to be oppressed?

[vorticon]

" wonder: how long non sanctioned anti-Bush demonstartion would lives in USA? "

until someone threw a rock, just like in every demostration against anything.

[Elfie]

I wonder: how long non sanctioned anti-Bush demonstartion would lives in USA?

As long as the demonstration is peaceful, the people can protest all they want. It's when they start throwing rocks, tipping cars over, starting fires etc that the riot police show up with tear gas.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Sounds like Ohio

[Urchin]

Holy crap... I can't believe you guys.  Nuke... you might be teh $m@r+3$+ EVAR!!! but your English comprehension sucks the root.  

Saying Communist China is the home of the world's freest economy != saying Communist China IS the world's freest economy.  

See the popsicle example above.  No, read it again.  One more time, no wait, better make it two... we are talking about you here.

[Rolex]

Welcome to the O'Club, where all discussion transforms into argument. It really is pathetic.

This place should be called the Enlisted Club not the Officers' Club.