64 Bit Pentium 4... any future for gaming?

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Mini D
LOL!

Dude... neither have anyhing to do with what I'm talking about. Like I said, it will be very interesting and I doubt very much that anyone in the microprocessor industry will be doing it. We still have alot of bugs to work out before the announcement, but we've gotten the chips to yield. In about another month the next batch wich fixes some lithography aligment issues is due out. It might yield well over 650 ISO. If it does, I think there will be some serious internal discussions about an announcement. The problem is, it's only going to double the density of transistors yet again.

Schutt, more leakage occurs in the transistors than anywhere. The irony is that this is the job of the "High-K" group to fix.

You mentioned dual cores, just pointing out that there are differences between the two designs.

No-one will be doing it?
AMD selling Opteron Dual Cores now.
Intel paper launched theirs few weeks back.
So someone must be doing it.

Yup transistors double again, yet the 'dual core' Opterons manage to do this with a min power usage of 64W. Only slightly higher than their single core counterparts.

[Overlag]

the main reason Intels prescot is so bad is marketing

ever since the P6 core (P3, and current P-Ms) hit a wall at 933mhz they had to make a "quick fix" they done this by doubling the pipeline lengh. This made the proccessor less efficent, but made the clock speed great.

clock speed sells. People see 3.2ghz and buy it over a 2ghz amd.

they then hit a wall at 3.4ghz with northwood, and tried the same, cheap pipeline increase on the prescott, which has failed...

also i think the ALU's in the CPU are double pumped, ie in a 3.2ghz CPU they run at 7.4ghz...thats HOT stuff.

However, in the backround, developing behind the desktop team, the mobile team have "fixed" the P6 core and we now have a VERY VERY good CPU in the P-M, 2ghz, 2mb cache and much faster than Prescott, and even beats A64's However, intel continues to push prescott for some unknown reason?

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Kev367th
You mentioned dual cores, just pointing out that there are differences between the two designs.

And I am pointing out that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

No-one will be doing it?
AMD selling Opteron Dual Cores now.
Intel paper launched theirs few weeks back.
So someone must be doing it.

Why don't you just stop trying to make everything an Intel vs AMD debate. It gets old rather quickly.

Yup transistors double again, yet the 'dual core' Opterons manage to do this with a min power usage of 64W. Only slightly higher than their single core counterparts.

Hehehe... you sure you meant to use "minimum" there?

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Mini D
And I am pointing out that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.Why don't you just stop trying to make everything an Intel vs AMD debate. It gets old rather quickly.Hehehe... you sure you meant to use "minimum" there?

As previously stated, YOU mentioned dual cores.

Wasn't an Intel V AMD, pointing out BOTH companies have launched their dual core CPUs.
If both companies have launched their dual cores then contrary to your quote "I doubt very much that anyone in the microprocessor industry will be doing it" - obviously SOMEONE must be doing it.

Yup in min power mode dual core Opterons run at about 64W at around 1.1v or 1.0v, can't remember exact figures..

[Mini D]

You simply decided that the mere mention of the phrase "dual core" was an opening for you to bring AMD into the conversation. Hey... show off a bit more if it makes you feel more secure. Just don't waste it on me, I'm not impressed with people quoting internet babble as if it's a religion.

I'll say this once very slowly for you:

I am not talking about anything that AMD or Intel has announced. I am talking about something completely different. There is a world that exists outside of tom's hardware.

[Kev367th]

Toms Hardware - True, but I stopped reading his babble years ago.

Obviously when you said quote - "I doubt very much that anyone in the microprocessor industry will be doing it" in relation to dual cores, you weren't talking about AMD or Intel.
In which case I apologise, as they can't be classed as anyone.

[Mini D]

Sigh... it was in regards to a new way to do dual core you twit. You just refuse to see that.

Let me set you straight:

I said:
I will say, though, that some things are start to look promissing that will revolutionize the concept of "dual core". Now, if they'd just do something with the "core" itself, i'd be happy.

you said
Internet babble about paper releases and AMD being awesome

I said
I'm not talking about what Intel and AMD have announced.

you said
You brought up dual core

Read that as man times as you need for it to sink in.  THERE IS MORE TO DUAL CORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE READ. When I said "revulitionize" and "will announce" that tends to say YOU HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING ABOUT IT YET.

You decided to jump into a thread and spew your AMD rhotoric like I've seen you do any other time I've talked about the goings on at Intel. This was done (every time I've seen) completely outside of the descussion at hand and for no reason other than spewing unwanted propaganda. I feel sorry for you and I'm done trying to explain how really, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Kev367th]

I am not specifically AMD orientated.
I have gone from Cyrix years ago, to Intel, to AMD, to Intel, and back to AMD again. Even used Motorola.
Same goes for vid cards, used both nVidia and ATI.

I will put my money where I get the best bang for my buck.

Was no need to get things on a personal level but then I should have really expected it.

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[Mini D]

Kev, try posting without bashing Intel and singing AMDs praises some day. Then get back to me on making it personal.

[Kev367th]

Well I'm sorry if saying anything about Intel that isn't praising them is personal.
Bit like someone critizing Mitsubishi and me taking it personal because it's the make of car I own, GEEZ!
If they ever produce another CPU that doesn't have the power/thermal characteristics of your average toaster oven, isn't a kludge, and at a good price, I'll be MORE than happy to buy one.

[Mini D]

Not praising them?

Dude.. you rag on them whenever you get the chance. You sing the praises of AMD whenever you get the chance. Your "the Intel dual core isn't REALLY a dual core" statement pretty much sums you up. You're ignorant. If you bought a cyrix, then you've most likely been that way for some time.

Not liking Intel's product offerings is one thing, but you hate the company. In a thread where I'm talking about working for that company, how can I not take it personally?

Like I said, learn to post without automatically dogging intel and praising AMD and you just might get a bit of credibility. Till then, you're just an internet fed lacky with a serious chip on his shoulder in regards to Intel.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Mini D
Kev, try posting without bashing Intel and singing AMDs praises some day. Then get back to me on making it personal.

sorry but 90% of the review sites do the same... bash Intel. why? well read this thread.....

p4 prescott sucks (heat, very poor IPC)
DDR2 sucks (brought in by intel)
there dualcores are NOT designed in a good way.

P-M rocks, but intel dont want to use it on desktop. So there only GOOD product, they are keeping from us.

thats the point of this thread, telling the orignal poster that he shouldnt touch a P4 with a barge pole. And it wasnt Kev that said that.....

[Kev367th]

Think Overlag just about sums it up, although he did forget to mention the Rambus fiasco.

But then what do us poor ignorant end users know.

Lets look at two occurences -

AMD launches 64bit CPUs - Intel paper launches P4 EE same day.

Intel paper launches "dual cores" on Monday April 18th after AMD made it public they would be lauching (as in available) Opteron dual cores on the 21st.
Now AMD are shipping (not paper launching) X2, the desktop version dual core.
^^^^^^not praises - FACT^^^^^^^

Unfortuneately Intel dropped the ball about two years ago and are now rushing to catch up, hence the EMT and the kludged dual core offerings.
Kind of 'lucky' Microsoft 'just happened' to release XP64 within a week (and not a lot earlier) of Intel 64's or Intel may have been further behind.

I hope I'm wrong and Intel has some secret all singing/dancing CPU up and coming, we need Intel/AMD competing side by side with comparable CPU's to keep the prices down.

If Intels CPU's actually equalled all their hype we'd ALL be happy. Luckily they have managed to convince average 'Joe Public' that a more Mhz/Ghz CPU is better than a slower one. Something that non-average "Joe Public" is now realising is not true.  

Notice - Not ONE personal attack.
 
I NEVER said I hate Intel, geez talk about having a chip on their shoulder.

Prove to me Intels dual core are true dual core then - you can't, they're a kludge.

Anyway a quick question - Will DDR3 use the same slot as DDR2?

[Overlag]

well said Kev, and i cant beleve i forgot rambus!

its not our fault Intel arnt giving us anything to be "pro" about. But does than make me Anti intel? maybe anti prescott, Id LOVE to see those Dohans (spellin?) reach desktop, with DDR400, PCI express etc But Intel wont do that....because it would be admitting defeat.

AMD make the best chips around right now, but does that make me a AMD fanboy? well i guess yes by other peoples logic....but until Intel give me something worth while, and worth singing praise about then what can i do?

I can if you want go on and on about my P3E 500 that did 800mhz at default volts and stock cooling. I can, if you like go on about those P-M Dohans (i do already)....

I nearly brought Northwood, but unluckly just as my funds cleared for a £1.6k system, A64 came out and i spent £500 on a A64 3200...man thats shocking to say that now lol.....

Oh, and the one Intel rig i have access too is my sisters 3.06 prescott laptop (err bad mix?!?!) and the only thing its good at is BURNING MY LEG, and making alot of noise (i hear it OVER my desktop rig)

[Kev367th]

Overlag -
I actually have 4 other PC's, all Intel.
I use them for servers as Intel makes excellent chipsets.
OH MY GOD did I just praise Intel!!!!!

Anybody who doesn't think there was some back scratching regarding XP64 and Intels EMT's are just being naive.