Gameplay sucks anymore...

[Edbert1]

I think Don and Straffo are both right. It started when AW went belly up, but has gotten worse since then too. Perhaps, just a theory here, it is a result of a full arena.

Back in the day (an old-man term) you could engage in a fight without having 10-20 guys show up 10-15K above you all of a sudden. My defense againt the high cherry pickers of late is to stay below 1K, it makes you pretty hard to pick without augering when they come screaming down at 450+. Of course that's easy to say in a SpitV, in a Pony that will only buy you a little time. But it might buy you enough time for your friends to show up at 10-15K over the heads of your pickers

[DamnedRen]

Respect is earned and a two way street.

Just as in AW there is always a small group (normally 10%) who talk the loudest, post the most and just think way to much of themselves in the game.

The other 90% are just a buncha dudes up trying to relax and have fun with the game. They also look at some changes as new challenges while other dudes think "ohmygawd, the gameplay is bad now!". Really? That bad?  Did anyone notice it doesn't ruin the majority of the players gameplay in the least? They enjoy themselves. They normally don't get bored. When they do they take a break and not tell everyone how bored they are.

IMHO this is absolutely no different than AW. Well, maybe a little different regarding the game itself. Graphics are better, more planes ( too small ), the programmers stay up on bug fixes, the game continues to evolve.

Personally, I've never had any problems with younger people playing the game but I am not their parents nor a babysitter for those few that need one. When peer pressure does not work, and we see that all the time both on the boards and the arenas, then management needs to moderate it.

The game is what you make of what's presented to you to play with and the people who make up the player base. Unfortunately, some Company's don't have time to keep a pulse on the feelings of the majority of the players and end up listening to vocal clueless few. When that happens it can have a negative effect and there becomes a tendency to push the average person way from the game. Most folks have a tolerance for the garbage of the select few but only up to a point. And no matter how good the game is they don't need the hassles. Those who are in silent majority will leave and no one even notices except maybe the management due to a loss of accounts.  Sometimes they figure that out in time to save accounts. Sometimes not.

For the most part with us older vets the vocal minority have never earned our respect and they are ignored. Oh yeah, a vet with 2 or 3 years is only a vet to a noob . We only speak up when we see those few trying to push people away from this great game. Hopefully the newby's look to the older vets and ignore those few too and just get up, fly and enjoy the game.


I was flying at the demise of DOS AW, MAC AW, AOL AW and all the rest of the AW's and flew alot of betas for them.  The Damned were also a presence flying in every fighter sim game throughout the history of online dogfighting. There are also many other folks from other squads who have been around almost as long here is AH2.

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The Damned

[straffo]

I guess my formulation was not prudent enought  Don

I didn't want to say the collapse of AW bring to AH this kind of player  I know lot of AHer are former AW player.

I don't know if my perception is right as depending of the map the player behaviour can be very different.
I personally hate the maps made by nobaddy for example.

[Eztgt2CH]

I think what people forget is that this is a game.  People pay money to be able to play.  When we signed up we did not sign a contract stating we would fly or fight a particular way.  

I happen to agree that gameplay has changed over time but who are we to say how an individual that pays to play can fly and fight.  

I am a C-Hawk and could be considered a young pup compared to the length of time the majority of them have been together.  I find our group to be the most professional and helpfull people that I have come across in a long time.  I would suggest others look for squads with this type of attitude and maybe it will spread throughout AHII.


All we can do is lead by example and hope for the best.


My humble opinion.

EZ

[IownU]

i agree respect is earned not just given to someone to me its not about the perk points or the score its about having fun and earning the respect of other members of AH2 and giving respect to them as well when its earned i respect just about all the members i have to face and the ones that are in my country we might not see eye to eye but i still respect them

[DamnedRen]

Those who lead by example earn the respect of most of us old and new....

Respect is treating people the way you yourself would like to be treated and accepting the differences without trying to impose your will on them.

You can be the best pilot in the game but if you don't respect yourself or others, no one really gives a damn how good you are.

WTG C-Hawks

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The Damned

[mars01]

Man a lot of hot air in some of these posts lolh.

It's not about respect.  There is a major deficiancy in the current AH setup.  

1)  Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2)  Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3)  GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4)  People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time.  furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps.  For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down.  Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.

So what is the solution.  A 9 block figher town in the MA.  This would end much of the BS and hot air retorts to definate problem.

Those that say this is not a problem don't really understand the issue and most likely won't until they end up looking for what is missing.

If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by mars01
Man a lot of hot air in some of these posts lolh.

It's not about respect.  There is a major deficiancy in the current AH setup.  

1)  Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2)  Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3)  GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4)  People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time.  furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps.  For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down.  Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.

So what is the solution.  A 9 block figher town in the MA.  This would end much of the BS and hot air retorts to definate problem.

Those that say this is not a problem don't really understand the issue and most likely won't until they end up looking for what is missing.

If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.

It sounds to me like you need to build yourself a nice H2H arena so you can get an air start, fight till you puke then do it all over.

For the rest of us the arena is fine as are the frequent furballs. You need to open yer eyes just a little. But if you're looking for 50+ furballs you need to lay off the booze.

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The Damned

[mars01]

It sounds to me like you need to build yourself a nice H2H arena so you can get an air start, fight till you puke then do it all over.

For the rest of us the arena is fine as are the frequent furballs. You need to open yer eyes just a little. But if you're looking for 50+ furballs you need to lay off the booze.  

It sounds like to me your just a ---- lolh:aok  All this from a guy that advocates bailing out as a form of game play.

Like I said...

If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by mars01

1)  Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2)  Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3)  GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4)  People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time.  furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps.  For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down.  Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.
 

Total agreement Mars, when those rare furball (you now the ones where you can re-up and get back in the fight, the ones that those of ius who are no thte best sticks but are not afraid to get shot down really like) happen it never fails that some bunch of heros will come along and ruin it.

How would you feel if this were the case?

1) triple the lethality of flack for bombers. Thus making it much harder to pork a field with one flight of B24s from 20k.
2) speaking of flack, how about more of it. again principaly aimed at bombers.
3) harden the hangers more, thus making is harder to kill the F/V/BH's.

No you say, well if something like this was done for just one map then you might know how we feel.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Edbert
We were musing on squad channel the other evening about how much fun it might be if there were a place for guys who like to do little more than dogfight to go. I guess it could be sort of like a tank-town but for airplanes only. A non-strategic place that did not affect war-winning, a place where there were no GVs, no strat, no troops, no cities, no ord...indestructible FHs, and indestructible field ack to discourage vulchers would help too.

Put it into the corner of a map, don't want to take the fun of toolshed killing out of the game as so many enjoy that I want them to have fun too. Maybe if they just made an indestructible FH at every base it would help prevent one school of folks from taking the fun away from the other shcool.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by mars01
It sounds like to me your just a ---- lolh:aok  All this from a guy that advocates bailing out as a form of game play.

Like I said...

If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.

You're part of the minority 10%. I'd ignore you but I like discussing your whines.  Shall we begin?

"Why can't I have it my way......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh h!"

"Why can't you create a fighter town in the middle of the map just for me.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhhhhhh!"

"If you don't think there is something wrong then you don't know what your talking about...waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!"

ROFL

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
You're part of the minority 10%. I'd ignore you but I like discussing your whines.  Shall we begin?

"Why can't I have it my way......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh h!"

"Why can't you create a fighter town in the middle of the map just for me.......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhhhhhh!"

"If you don't think there is something wrong then you don't know what your talking about...waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!"

ROFL

Well I here the same thing from the other side but mostly In-Game not on the BBS;

Small Maps waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hhhhhhh!

Thier upping at the base I want to attack. Someone must be spying, waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!

Fighter hanger just popped, thier upping planes, waaaaaahhh!. Let's go somewhere else!

They found our goon and killed it waaaaaaaaaahhh! Someone must be spying

They intercepted our mission, waaaaaaaaaaahhh! someone must be spying!

You tell me which is more pathetic.

Your wrong if you think we want to change the way you play. We could care less how you want to play. We just wish you guys would actually wanted to engage in combat in this AIR COMBAT SIMULATION! All we can do is wish.

[Simaril]

Is furball underground still up and running? That event seems to be exactly what some are advocating, and it arrived as an emergent behaviour unplanned by HTC. Is there a problem with doing it in the DA?


There is a problem with having uncapturable bases -- they become strategic resources for the capture guys, even if they were intended for the furballers. Tucked away in a corner -- whose corner? Does that mean that P38s or 190F8s can up and go after troops against the bish, but cant reach the nit or rook bases?


I seem to remember that HT has addressed requests for "fightertown" in the past -- with a pretty clear "ain't gunna happen." HT seems to keep gameplay issues in the forefront, this game being his bread-n-butter, and jsut like he has reasons for not throwing out HO attacks he probably has reasons for not wanting fighter town.

Assuming that fighter town isnt happening in the near future, I guess I'm missing something -- when I'm in the mood for some furballing, I go to the Da and find the base with DAR. It's not 25v25, but if the guys who want "all furball, all the time" jsut get together on a day or time -- it COULD be 25v25.


Not trying to be smart, just asking

[FiLtH]

I wish 1 night a week, HTC woiuld screw with us and at a certain time..bam..only these planes are available( likely early war)