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[Suave]

What in the world could they be doing with their clothes on that's so vulgar? Dry humping each other?

Are they assuming a 3 point stance and slapping eachother on the bellybutton like the football players?

Texans also thought that Elvis was also very vulgar and explicitly sexually suggestive on stage.

The world is a rorschach test.

[lazs2]

cuelro... no... didn't mean fire em at the local level... meant firing them at the state level.  meant things like funding.

Your state mandates certain levels of .... well... everything else in schools or cuts funding right?

lazs

[Toad]

Originally posted by culero
However, I'd also say a community member has an interest in what the teachers in a local school expose the children to, and that local community action at the school district level in matters like this is an important and appropriate thing.

culero

Agreed. Any offended community member has two options the way I see it. Protest directly to the school/school board AND vote with their feet.

Don't go to the games. If the stands are suddenly empty, I'm sure the message will be even louder.

[culero]

Originally posted by Toad
Agreed. Any offended community member has two options the way I see it. Protest directly to the school/school board AND vote with their feet.

Don't go to the games. If the stands are suddenly empty, I'm sure the message will be even louder.

I'm more in favor of addressing the school board, and then addressing their actions in the voting booth (which, BTW, I am suddenly reminded I must go do this morning, local school board election day here today).

The games are a local community-building function, and much more is harmed by non-attendance than is gained relative to the side issue of the cheerleaders. I'd rather see a pro-active approach than a passive one when something like this is a problem.

culero

[culero]

Originally posted by lazs2
cuelro... no... didn't mean fire em at the local level... meant firing them at the state level.  meant things like funding.

Your state mandates certain levels of .... well... everything else in schools or cuts funding right?

lazs

Yes, but unless the mandates involve adherance to standards and results regarding education, I don't want the state involved, period. This would seem to be an issue that isn't related to education, but to morals, which should be limited to the community level.

culero

[Toad]

Originally posted by culero
I'm more in favor of addressing the school board,
culero

Take the case to the school and school board. If they fail to act vote them out and/or boycott the games until changes are made.

You folks can choose to be victors or victims.

[culero]

Originally posted by Toad
Take the case to the school and school board. If they fail to act vote them out and/or boycott the games until changes are made.

You folks can choose to be victors or victims.

Exactly. My only quibble here is that I think boycotting games isn't appropriate.

culero

[Toad]

Well, if they refuse to change you can either acccept that or take it to another level. It's a choice.

[lazs2]

what do you mean?  the states mandate all kinds of behavior in schools or cut funding.

I personaly think that there is no "one school fits all"... that is the socialist way and it sucks.

I believe in vouchers.   I would like to see the public schools compete for education dollars.

lazs

[culero]

lazs I know that's a fact, but I don't agree it should be. The state should mandate minimum standards that schools have to educate their students to, nothing more. The rest should be local discretion.

IMO, of course. You and your neighbors handle it as you wish where you live, please

culero

[culero]

Once again my faith in the company I work for is reinforced. Here's today's EDITORIAL OPINION PIECE which happens to address this stupid episode.

Excerpt:

The Texas Legislature has no business getting involved in the waving of pompoms. Dance routine monitoring should remain the province of, first, parents and, second, the schools. The actions of the House did nothing more than invite national ridicule upon our state.

They should be ashamed of themselves for engaging in such foolishness, wasting our time and money. We are heartened only by the fact that most of those who represent the Valley refused to succumb to such idiocy.

I knew I liked my editor already, now I'm gonna give him an "attaboy" tomorrow

culero

[lazs2]

culero... I agree wholeheartedly with you that the schools should educate and nothing else.   This is impossible tho for any school.  What we need is vouchers.

If you didn't like the moral tone of your school... take your money elsewhere.   None of us have that choice tho... the big NEA soicialist union controls the schools and you have no say.. the money is extorted out of you by state and local governments...  soo..

You have every right to ask for whatever you want from making all the kids have uniforms from neck to ankle to making orgies mandatory... ther is after all... only one school system for all beliefs... someone will allways be offended or, at least... not get what they want.

if you only have one school then it better be the most moral it can be... there should be no way that it could be constued as being lewd.   If you allow behavior that offends a large population of people being extorted for funds to run it then you should quash that behavior.

With vouchers you can have a free love school if so inclined.

lazs

[culero]

Yeah, lazs, I'm familiar with the concept and agree in theory its great. I'm skeptical of it only because I fear ill effects that might arise from its implementation.

Although I see myself as a libertarian, I'm actually comfortable with tax-supported schools, so long as control of them resides at the community level. I feel this is one of the basic functions that is best served by local government.

If I or any other citizen is unhappy with policy in the local school district, as concerned citizens we have the ability to influence what the local school board does about it.

If the local school board rather than state of Federal government is in charge, that is.

Don't get me wrong, I do see your point and agree it is based in valid reasoning. Its just one of those issues where I feel the cons outweigh the pros.

culero

[lazs2]

well... that is fine but what ends up happening is that who knows what the local standards my be?   Some people in the community are genuinely offended by programs of their school system and... they have no choice.  they are having the money extorted out of them.

Their choice is to move.  That is not much of a choice but people do it... houses in some school districts go for more than others.

Vouchers would allow you to vote with your dollar.

Public schools should be plain jane vanilla and work to offend the fewest of the poor suckers they are extorting funds from.

I don't happen to think they work tho.   I believe that we are getting the least for our extorted dollar that is even possible so far as public schools go.    They are a model of government waste.

lazs

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
They can have sex in front of an audience of adults?  Ok, that is a bit more open than I would like.

Can they masturbate in front of audiences as well?  Again, call me a prude, but I think that is a bit over the top.

Nothing I haven't seen in Amsterdam. Never really thought of it as a big deal.  If ever you get over to Europe, I'll take you  there and we'll have a few beers in the Banana Club. You'll be a changed man. The "floor" of the area behind the bar is pretty much level with the beer taps. It's kind of nice being served a beer by a naked lady.