Author Topic: A few religious question for catholics. (Read 11457 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #90 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:09:05 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good, then by your very own definition Catholics are christians who accept that Jesus died to save them from their sins and are thus are going to heaven.

Thanks NUKE.

That's all you need to do, so why do catholics add the Virgin Mary, Rosery beads, Hail Mary's and Holy Fathers into the equation? Where in the bible are you instructed to do that?

NUKE · « **Reply #91 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:16:52 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

And as for your qestions, the simple answe is humans develeped those rites as tghe Church evolved.

So, if all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior, why would you want to follow human rituals developed by humans in addition to believing in Jesus?

Why would you ever go to a confession and tell your sins to another man? Why would you pray to Mary or rub rosery beads?

JAGED · « **Reply #92 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:18:35 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
So, if all you have to do is execpt Jesus as your savior, why would you want to follow human rituals developed by humans in addition to believing in Jesus?

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that, as a Christian, you are familiar with the "Our Father, who art in heaven" prayer and may even recite it on occasion. Does the Bible tell you to do this?

NUKE · « **Reply #93 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:32:08 PM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2
Time for Q-1 only,

Catholics do not pray TO Mary. The ask Mary to pray FOR them. "Pray for us Mary".

The same can be said for saints.

eskimo

How do they ask Mary to pray for them? By praying to her? Nowhere in the bible is Mary mentioned as someone to pray to or to glorify in any way.

Toad · « **Reply #94 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:32:36 PM »

1. Why do you worship/pray to the virgin Mary? Where in the bible are you instructed to do so?

Where in the bible are you instructed NOT to? Where in Catholic dogma does it say you MUST?

This is a red herring.

2. Rosary beads and Hail Mary's, where did that come from?

You been show "where" how the Hail Mary originated.

I'll clip you an explanation of "where" the Rosary came from. You could easily answer your own questions with just a bit of effort, you know. But that's not what you are after, is it?

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Origin of the Rosary

The origin of the Rosary is most interesting. From its early days the Church urged its faithful to recite the 150 Psalms of David from the Bible. This custom still prevails today. Priests and consecrated religious are obliged to pray the Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) each day which consists in a large measure of the Psalms of David.

In former days, before the printing press, it was not easy for anyone to memorize the 150 Psalms and hand inscribed scrolls of Scripture were a rarity. The people who could not learn the 150 Psalms by heart, wanted to do something to make up for it. So they substituted 150 “Hail Mary’s.” They broke up these 150 Hail Mary’s into 15 decades, or series of ten. Each 10 Hail Mary’s were said while meditating on different aspects of the life of Our divine Lord. We call them the mysteries.

There you go.

3. Is any man holy? What about the pope? ANy refernece for a pope in the bible?

Jesus was man wasn't he? Was he holy?

What about the pope? Do you consider priests or ministers "holy"? The pope's a priest and a minister. Each man makes his own call.

What was Peter then?

4. Confession of sins to another man. Where is that called for in the bible.

URL=http://www.saintaquinas.com/confess_essay.html]Why Do Catholics Practice Confession of Sins to a Priest?[/URL]

5. granting of sainthood. How is it that the church decides who will be elevated to "saint" ?

Becoming a Saint

There you go, have a nice day.

Toad · « **Reply #95 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:34:21 PM »

Well, Nuke from your posts in this thread, I'd say YOU must believe that aborted babies and aborigines in the deepest jungles are all going to hell.

That's what you said.

Now I have a question for you:

Is that the kind of merciful God you want to serve?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #96 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:39:55 PM »

Nuke do you honestly believe that the Catholic churchis the only christian church that has developed rites of worship over the years that are not exatly spelled out and mandated in the Bible.

Actually do tell, which church do you attend services at? I will have to come visit and note this miraculius church that only does tgings as 100% spelled out in the bible.

Do yiu even attend church?

NUKE · « **Reply #97 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:44:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
[ You could easily answer your own questions with just a bit of effort, you know. But that's not what you are after, is it?

I asked catholics why they do those things Toad.

I believe that a lot of the rituals in the Catholic church are a distraction from the message of the bible.....just rituals. Jesus was God sent to earth, no other man is god on earth. No other man should be called "Holy Father".

NUKE · « **Reply #98 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:45:54 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nuke do you honestly believe that the Catholic churchis the only christian church that has developed rites of worship over the years that are not exatly spelled out and mandated in the Bible.

I never said that I thought Catholics are the only christian church that has developed rituals.

Nilsen · « **Reply #99 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:52:40 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
I asked catholics why they do those things Toad.

I believe that a lot of the rituals in the Catholic church are a distraction from the message of the bible.....just rituals. Jesus was God sent to earth, no other man is god on earth. No other man should be called "Holy Father".

so when i say "holy crap!", im actually wrong?

BTAirsol · « **Reply #100 on:** May 06, 2005, 01:57:24 PM »

Nuke, us catholics prey to the Blessed Mother because she intercedes for us. Read the wedding of Cana, where she told her Son to take care of the wine, he stated "Woman my hour has not come" He did it because his mother asked him to. That's where we see her intersessions for us.

Rosary beads came from the visitation of our Blessed Mother at Fatima. She instructed the little girl to learn the prayer.

As far as our Pope being Holy Father, read in Matthew where Jesus gives the keys of the kingdom to Peter. "What ever you bound on earth shall be be bound in heavan and what ever you lose on earth shall be lose in heaven. These are the rules that were inspired by the Holy Spirit for Peter to govern us with. Jesus gave Peter this comission because Christ asked them, "who do they say I am"? Peter stated the Christ and Jesus said yes you are correct because no one knew this but the Father and that was reveiled to Peter.

Nuke if you a serious about finding out more on the Catholic faith, stop in at your local catholic church and inquire about the RCIA process. The rite of Christian Initiatiuon for Adults, your answers will be given in that forum. I teach RCIA at our parish.

NUKE · « **Reply #101 on:** May 06, 2005, 02:04:38 PM »

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Originally posted by BTAirsol
Nuke, us catholics prey to the Blessed Mother because she intercedes for us. Read the wedding of Cana, where she told her Son to take care of the wine, he stated "Woman my hour has not come" He did it because his mother asked him to. That's where we see her intersessions for us.

Rosary beads came from the visitation of our Blessed Mother at Fatima. She instructed the little girl to learn the prayer.

As far as our Pope being Holy Father, read in Matthew where Jesus gives the keys of the kingdom to Peter. "What ever you bound on earth shall be be bound in heavan and what ever you lose on earth shall be lose in heaven. These are the rules that were inspired by the Holy Spirit for Peter to govern us with. Jesus gave Peter this comission because Christ asked them, "who do they say I am"? Peter stated the Christ and Jesus said yes you are correct because no one knew this but the Father and that was reveiled to Peter.

Nuke if you a serious about finding out more on the Catholic faith, stop in at your local catholic church and inquire about the RCIA process. The rite of Christian Initiatiuon for Adults, your answers will be given in that forum. I teach RCIA at our parish.

Jesus called her "woman", did not even acknowledge her as his mother, because he was not her son. He is the son of God, not Mary.

Mary is not to be prayed to or worshiped. God did not send Mary to earth, he sent Jesus. Jesus never told any of his followers that Mary was to be prayed to. He didn't tell them to follow Mary and that Mary would intercede on their behalf.

BTAirsol · « **Reply #102 on:** May 06, 2005, 02:08:13 PM »

Nuke you asked and I answered. Do not take it personal. Why do you feel uneasy about an answer? Whats tugging in your heart? You asked very good questions that a lot of people ask.

NUKE · « **Reply #103 on:** May 06, 2005, 02:12:00 PM »

I'm not taking your answer personally. Nothing about catholic rituals that distract from the bible tug at my heart.

oboe · « **Reply #104 on:** May 06, 2005, 02:15:33 PM »

Just a point of clarification - is Mary being prayed to and worshipped? Or prayed to and revered?

Neither of which rules out praying to God.