Hello again Hoopy,
Originally posted by AKH
Quite simply, religious intolerance.
Religious intolerance? Because I don't believe that all religions are true - as opposed to the more socially acceptable belief that
no religions are true and because in reviewing the history and teaching of Islam I happen to think that men like Hasan Al-Banna and the President of Iran have a more authentic understanding of the religion they profess than liberal Muslims?
How does this intolerance manifest itself exactly? Who am I, and people like me, encouraging people to fight and kill? In what ways am I telling people to go out and spread Christianity by the sword? Who am I oppressing, or forcing to pay an extra tax to stay in the country? Who am I forbidding to build new houses of worship or gather to pray? Who am I threatening with death if they apostatize? Whose religious literature am I banning, seizing, and destroying? In what way am I acting like the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?
In summary Hoopy, in what ways am I and Christians like me acting towards professors of other religions in the ways SHARIA LAW says professors of religions other than Islam are to be treated? Or is this some sort of secret message buried behind public statements saying our reaction should be to pray for them and witness to them?
In actuality Hoopy, my days of freely hating and wishing other men dead came before my conversion, and to tell the truth, I am glad they are behind me.
You and others like you would have us believe that terrorist attacks like 9/11 are the doing of Islam, rather than an extreme militant sect. This is exactly the same as claiming that IRA atrocities were attributable to the the Catholic Church.
Respectfully Hoopy, if I have claimed anything I have claimed that the current Jihad being waged by Muslim militants worldwide is simply the continuation of the greater Jihad that has been going on since 611 AD.
Your arguments about the IRA are spurious, since similar splits in doctrine exist within the Islamic community, yet you would still have us accept that Islam is the real IRA.
Alright then, let me simply ask you as well and perhaps we'll finally get an answer. Was Muhammad's massacre of the Jewish Banu-Qurayza tribe in 627 AD and his taking one of the widows as wife (bedding her that night) - something justified in the Quran and praised in the Hadiths - an act of "the real Islam" or was that a minority sect at work?
Likewise, your choice of quotes from Islamic scipture, when Christian scripture has many similar "kill the infidel" verses. As I am sure you well know, if it's in the book, someone will use it.
Quite so, any verse can be taken out of context. That is why I keep trying to frame those verses in their historical context. For instance, the "kill the infidel verses" in the Holy Bible are only to be found in the Old Testament passages relating to the Conquest of Canaan. That was a one time historical event now decisively over. There are no such verses in the NT and in fact when the disciples ask Jesus if they should call down fire from heaven on those who refuse his message he rebukes them. The overall message is that no such "killing of the infidel" will occur as long as we are in the age of grace and that age doesn't end till judgment day.
On the other hand, the "Kill the Infidel, kill the Apostate" passages in the Quran were penned while Muhammad himself was doing just that, and the termination of the Jihad commands only comes when Islam is worldwide.
Is it a good thing to blame the majority for the actions of a minority?
I sense you misunderstand me, I'm not blaming
all Muslims nor asserting that all Muslims are terrorist or that all Muslims want to kill me. I am however asserting that Islam commands that I either be forced to convert, pay the Dhimmi tax and submit to third class citizenship, or die. Islam doesn't afford any other options. If you don't believe that, you need only check Sharia law. So do I blame Muslims? No. Do I blame Islamic doctrine? Ya sure you betcha.
We all commend the actions of a good Samaritan.
http://www.samaritanspurse.org
"Because the goal of all our work at Samaritan’s Purse is introducing lost souls to the Savior Jesus Christ, the prayers of God’s people are vital to the success of our projects around the world."
Strange mission statement. Nothing about helping people in need. I suppose its a question of priorites.
I await your reply. [/B]
Strange in what sense? Christ himself said "Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen." (Matt. 28:18-20)
Strange would be to claim to be a Christian organization and thus followers of Christ and to utterly ignore his great commission to his followers. Now as we go, we also feed the hungry, heal the sick, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned, but that isn't our primary calling. Even Christ said that it was not to heal that he had come into the world but to preach the Good News.
As it happens Samaritans purse does an incredible amount of charitable work often under strict "no evangelizing" provisions.
But my question about the Tsunami still stands. If we are full of hate and intolerance why is it that we went into clear away corpses and to feed, heal, and help? Why didn't we "hate filled" Christians just dance in the streets as some did following 9/11? Also, where is the massive Islamic charitable assistance when non-Muslim nations have a disaster? Is the Sultan of Brunei skint?
- SEAGOON
