Author Topic: Bush & Global Warming (Read 5069 times)

R4M · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2001, 08:30:00 AM »

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Originally posted by 1776:

Do you really think God would create a being that would have the power to destroy the earth??

I will answer you with a little joke.

This was this priest in a little town wich suffers a severe flood because heavy rains.

the going gets very rough, that water is getting higher and higher, and the priest starts praying to God to send him some help.

While he is praying, a little boat comes to the church, now flooded up to chest level. The man on the boat says "Hey father, come aboard I'll rescue you". The priest asnwers "no, son, God will provide me with the means to get out of this danger". So the boat goes and the priest keeps on praying.

The waters get higher and higher and the Priest climbs over the Altar. He is praying to God to save him, when another boat comes by, with another man who says "hey father, come aboard and I'll rescue you". The priest answers "no, son, God will provide me with the means to get out of this danger". So the boat also goes away and the priest keeps on praying.

The waters are now really high, and the Priest climbs to the church roof. he is about to get drowned ,still praying, when another boat comes by "Father, come aboard!!! the situation is critical!!!".

The faithful priest answers "son...I have faith on God and His ways. He will provide me with the ways to save my life, I am praying him with Faith and I know He will save me from this danger".
So, the boat goes away...the priest still praying.

But the water rises even more and the priest dies.

The priest goes to heaven and calls for God to answer him a question. God appears in front of him...and the priest, quite pissed off, asks:

"Lord, oh, Why did You let me die while I was praying non-stop for You to save my life?".

And God answers:

"dude, gimme a break. I sent three boats to save your ass,you refused to get on board of all of them, and you still complain??"

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This is the same. We are warned that if we keep this way this planet is going to hell, literally.

Of course, Bush knows that as he will pray a lot to God, the planet will be saved with him not having to reduce US toxic emmisions. how true he is.

We dont have to do anything,of course, we dont have to move a hair... God will do it for us.

lol. You are so sad......................

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Fatty · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2001, 12:23:00 PM »

Heaven forbid, not more CO2. In the time you posted this you could have planted 4 trees.

funked · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2001, 03:55:00 PM »

Is there proof that temperatures are rising? Yes.

Is there proof that CO2 concentration is increasing? Probably.

Is there proof that the CO2 increase is causing the temperature increase? None at all. Only unproven theories and models. And some models show the opposite - that there are mechanisms whereby increased CO2 concentration can cause a decrease in temperature.

1776 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2001, 05:37:00 PM »

Does anyone else besides me remember when global cooling was going to destroy the earth? I think it was in the late '60s or early 70's that this theory was "the theory of the destruction of us all!!!" All of science was up in arms regarding global cooling, ice age was just around the corner. Sheets of ice 3 miles thick would cover North America!!! What a joke, and people flocked like sheep to this idea too, heheeeeeee.

Now the latest fad is global warming,come on, pleeeeeeez!!!

Ted Dansen,a known environmentalist expert, stated before Congress that we only had 10 years to do something about global warming.
I think he made this profound statement in the late '80's. Hmmmmm, we're still here, I wonder where he got that idea of only 10 years left?

Ya, there is no global warming. Period.

Only extremist who wish to change human nature and change our current way of living expound this new drivel in the name of environmentalism(religion). They have just as much creditability as the global cooling crowd.

Dowding · « **Reply #49 on:** April 01, 2001, 06:03:00 AM »

1776, you ain't gonna change your mind, I know, but consider this:

You say 'God' would not create a being with the power to destroy the Earth.

In the '80s if the USSR and NATO had launched all there nuclear weapons at each other, the Earth could have been sterilised several times over. WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY THE EARTH.

How would you survive in a nuclear winter? Would 'God' stop all those ionising, cancer causing particles from entering your body?

Like Santa says, pollution is a global issue that does not respect political borders.

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Thud · « **Reply #50 on:** April 01, 2001, 06:58:00 AM »

1776, obviously you're very afraid of left wing extremists but don't you think that right wing extremists are just as dangerous and narrow minded?

By the way the Kyoto treaty wasn't going to change your lifestyle at all, it just contained restrictions for heavy industries thus forcing them to innovate so that they could meet the new allowed pollution standards.

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1776 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 01, 2001, 08:09:00 AM »

I believe the treaty would only restrict the USA.

Geez, I wonder why we haven't had a nuclear war?? It prolly isn't in the design of things, think about it

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niknak · « **Reply #52 on:** April 01, 2001, 09:09:00 AM »

Funked :

Do you suggest we continue to pump carbon dioxide, methane,nitrous oxide and man-made gases such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF6)into the atmosphere to see if global warming due to a greenhouse effect is just a theory?

Out of genuine curiosity what have you seen makes you think a higher proportion of these gasses in our atmosphere will not produce some sort of greenhouse effect i.e some sort of raise in global temperature as it seems to me the theories aren't just pissing in the wind and even if they were do you think it is wise to change the composition of our atmosphere?

niknak · « **Reply #53 on:** April 01, 2001, 09:14:00 AM »

1776 :

I believe are opinions are just to different to even begin to argue. Not a slam just i think it would be futile, each to their own etc.

1776 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 01, 2001, 10:09:00 AM »

Here's a question for ya. Just what do the environmentalist really want,no electricity, no burning of anything cep what nature burns,no manufacturing, no travel of anykind, no modern conveniences???

At what point do we say this isn't gonna work?

What is more important, your current way of life or just shut everything down? When will the environmentalist be happy???

I contend they won't be happy til they dictate your life!! Sorry I can't participate, can you?

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mietla · « **Reply #55 on:** April 01, 2001, 01:00:00 PM »

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Originally posted by 1776:
Here's a question for ya. Just what do the environmentalist really want,no electricity, no burning of anything cep what nature burns,no manufacturing, no travel of anykind, no modern conveniences???

This is not a new idea. Mao and Pol Pot made a pretty good first step in a right direction.

niknak · « **Reply #56 on:** April 01, 2001, 03:24:00 PM »

I love technology and creature comfort but i think it is prudent to look after our enviroment because we do have the capability to detroy it as such i think we should have targets for reducing CO2 emissions etc.

The truth is people, industry will just do things the cheapest way so if pouring toxic waste into the nearest river is allowed people will do it (and have done it) hence i believe restrictions should apply.
Like i said i think you and i won't be able to persuade each other so i will leave it at that.

StSanta · « **Reply #57 on:** April 01, 2001, 05:43:00 PM »

Man, don't build up straw men.

We're talking heavy industries here. And, if they put just a WEE bit of effort in it, they can reduce their emissions by 20%.

It was done here, it wasn't very costly.

We're not talking anti technology, or progress, or living in a dark hut in the woods to save the environment.

Straw men arguments suck, but are luckily very easy to spot.

So, with that in mind, let's continue

Bush lied. He is a liar. Just like Clinton. Maybe even worse, because his lies might affect me.

<waits for his catch>

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1776 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 01, 2001, 09:27:00 PM »

Clinton is a convicted lier($90,000.00 worth)

I say let's shut down Europe,no industry,nothing

Candles for light and fire for heat. Ya!!! would be a nice test

How's that sound??

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ispar · « **Reply #59 on:** April 01, 2001, 09:32:00 PM »

Now, this is rather an interesting discussion. Ok... lemme propose a scenario.

*DISCLAIMER: THIS SCENARIO IS NOT INTENDED TO DISCREDIT ANYONE'S BELIEFS, NOR IS IT TO BE TAKEN AS AN EXAMPLE OF MY PARTICULAR VIEWS ON FAITH, ETC.* (Clear?)

Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's just assume that there is no God, ok 1776? Now what happens? Our disability to destroy the Earth goes right out the window, don't it? Now, I know that this may not be a valid point to you, as you may view the existence of God as given, not open to speculation. However, others here are not sure, and others don't believe in anything at all. Does the fact that you disagree make them wrong? Does the fact that they are wrong in your eyes mean that they are indeed, actually incorrect?

*END SCENARIO*

(Warning: Complaint about Republicans/Right wingers) I get the impression from many of you that you feel that the rest of us all need to be corrected, because you disagree.
There is solid evidence pointing to global warming being caused by humans. I haven't seen anyone provide solid evidence that it isn't. Sorry, but giving God as your evidence just doesn't fly.

Also, for the record, on our "indestructable earth":
The Everglades
The North Atlantic
Exxon Valdez, resulting wildlife deaths
Los Angelos, New York, Mexico City, London, Beijing, all with some of the worst air pollution ON THE PLANET.
Many lakes and ponds in Scandinavian countries are now UNINHABITABLE to life of ANY KIND, except the hardiest of bacterias
Manatees? What are manatees? I've never seen a manatee - have you?
Ditto for the dodo. Fortunately, there are still some sea cows left...
Panda bears? Don't be silly; those are fairy tales! What? They aren't? Your're kidding!
Passenger pigeon!? HA! Don't be silly!

The list goes on, and on, and on. Over three quarters of the world's rainforests are GONE. I think I'll let someone else pick up from here. Or not. I think the point is made.

-Ispar

Author Topic: Bush & Global Warming (Read 5069 times)

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