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Offline GtoRA2

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« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2005, 05:48:18 PM »


Awsome...


Beautiful
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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2005, 05:50:06 PM »
I was watching X day: the invasion of japan last night on Disc. They wer etalking about the invasion of Okinawa alone comprising of a fleet of 1500+ ships.  There will NEVER be an invasion of that scale with the current threats we have today.  It's just not feasable.  Back then you needed the bigger guns at you disposal.  Today we have superior air power with pricision accuracy.

It's sorry to say but unless it's a CV the big ships are "obsolete"

The Marines now want an "over the horizon" capability of sea based invasion an that's were the CV22 comes into play.  You will still have the amphib vehicles and such but it isn't just 200,000+ GIs hopping in higgens boats and making a mad dash to the shore line anymore.

That's just not the way it works, it is now a full spectrum response of aggression and precision.
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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2005, 05:53:29 PM »
The centerpiece of an American Battle Group is the Carrier. If the group elements can't outpace the Carrier they are a dangerous liability. Just as in the air, at sea; speed is life... and even though the BB's could make turns for over 30 knots, they still couldn't keep up with a modern CV group.

Have heard of the problems surrounding the Burkes.. won't be sorry to see 'em go.
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« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2005, 06:02:30 PM »
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The centerpiece of an American Battle Group is the Carrier. If the group elements can't outpace the Carrier they are a dangerous liability. Just as in the air, at sea; speed is life... and even though the BB's could make turns for over 30 knots, they still couldn't keep up with a modern CV group.

Have heard of the problems surrounding the Burkes.. won't be sorry to see 'em go.


CV speed was designed so that if the screening ships wreren't able to protect it from the Russian sub threat, It could leave the area.

It's not vital to keep up with the carrier.
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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2005, 06:03:31 PM »
On the Burkes.

I remeber hearing back when they were being devoloped when I was a kid, that they were going to be awsome.

First ship with armor in years more survivable.

Lesson learned from the perry class that took the exocet...


Interesting to hear they were not as good as they were sold as being.
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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2005, 06:18:08 PM »
Survivability is pretty good. No more Aluminum superstructure like the DD's CG's and FFG's had..not really much actual armor. CIC placement is good, being just above the waterline and not in the superstructure. The Chimical Protective system is good with a pressurized interior and airlocks for topside access. Crew space is cramped and when all 4 chill water plants shut down (which happens allot) it gets extremely hot inside.
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« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2005, 06:19:43 PM »
yea but the biggest question on ALL sailor's minds is:

 "Do we get to hot rack"  :D
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« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2005, 06:38:50 PM »
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yea but the biggest question on ALL sailor's minds is:

 "Do we get to hot rack"  :D


Only the Sub-Mariners do that.
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« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2005, 06:41:31 PM »
that doesnt meen the rest of the fleet doesnt want to

"nothing says lovin like 2 spooning sailors on the high seas"

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« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2005, 06:57:21 PM »
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that doesnt meen the rest of the fleet doesnt want to

"nothing says lovin like 2 spooning sailors on the high seas"

;)


Or a bunch of Marines snuggled tight together in the landing craft.
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« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2005, 07:52:12 PM »
umm
you guys could take on all the rest of the worlds navies combined with just your Arleigh Burks
Or just your SSNs
Or just your carriers.
Or just your CGs.

WTF you need more of anything for.
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« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2005, 07:54:50 PM »
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umm
you guys could take on all the rest of the worlds navies combined with just your Arleigh Burks
Or just your SSNs
Or just your carriers.
Or just your CGs.

WTF you need more of anything for.


Big Stick philosophy...basically...gott a make the stick bigger!
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« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2005, 07:58:59 PM »
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that doesnt meen the rest of the fleet doesnt want to

"nothing says lovin like 2 spooning sailors on the high seas"

;)


tsk tsk tsk Guns... *sigh* need you be reminded that being a Marine, yer just slightly further down the military food chain than the Navy.. you know... the ghey guys you worked for.

:D
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« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2005, 08:01:29 PM »
I was always taught that MARINE stood for...

-Musclebound

-Arse's

-Riding

-In

-Navy

-Equipment
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« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2005, 08:03:14 PM »
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tsk tsk tsk Guns... *sigh* need you be reminded that being a Marine, yer just slightly further down the military food chain than the Navy.. you know... the ghey guys you worked for.

:D


My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment

That and their corpman are pretty much all the little squidlys are good for :D

Marines are a department of the navy and like all department store we have our section.  Usually that's the MEN's department.

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