Author Topic: She does not speak for me. (Read 1457 times)

Skydancer · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2005, 06:43:42 PM »

Ok no politics then but remember it was a political decision that cost these brave men their lives!

An opinion that these guys are brave but that their leaders are misusing that bravery.

Yeager · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:24:57 PM »

If I were a muslim insurgent (ughh) I would be seriously emboldened by Sheehan and the coverage she is generating in the american press. I would be so inspired that I would make a double batch of IEDs and try to kill twice as many american soldiers (ironically, just like her son) to increase pressure back home in Sheehans camp to further promote the unconditional withdrawl of the US military from Iraq.

By being down there at the ranch Sheehan is openly and freely practicing freedom and american soldiers will be dying as a result of it defending that very freedom for the forseeable future. Its sort of ironic, her son died so she could practice her freedom of speech and inspire more killing of young american soldiers.

Just an observation.

Skydancer · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:36:38 PM »

You know maybe you are right Yeager. Just sad he even had to go in the first place. Maybe withdrawl now is not possible. But that means troops will have to be there for a very long time.

LePaul · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:41:16 PM »

Do you think before you post, Skydancer?

Or do the zillions of threads you've posted in, and later are locked, eluding your common sense?

Skydancer · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:44:00 PM »

Yes I think, I also discuss I also form opinions as do many others on this board. Realy what is the problem here? I don't flatter myself to think its only my contribution thats getting those threads locked. Come on mate why are some opinions ok and not others?

Nash · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:45:43 PM »

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Its sort of ironic, her son died so she could practice her freedom of speech and inspire more killing of young american soldiers. - Yeager

Sheehan is protesting so that the troops will come home and no more will die. She's doing this because folks are dying.

Now ya wanna say that because she's doing this, it will cause (wait for it..... wait for it...) dying? Well okay...

And unlike the Vietnam war, people have wised-up and do indeed respect and honor the military. Who is saying otherwise? Honoring the soldiers and questioning the war that the soldiers are soldiering in do not have to be mutually exclusive.

In other words, those men and women are doing a hell of a job in an unfortunate situation.

See?.... That wasn't hard was it?

Hangtime · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:46:25 PM »

and people wonder why I regard Hanoi Jane with such intense disgust.

Sky, Soldiers serve their fellow soldiers and officers, go where there told, accomplish the objectives passed down by the 'higher highers'. There is no room for politics in a foxhole. Do NOT, repeat, DO NOT obfuscate their mission by displaying any less resolve than theirs.

35 years ago I watched the government fail it's troops because it lost it's resolve. I'll not stomach a repeat.

For better or worse, our kids are there, and this job must be finished. Anything which detracts from that mission, anything that weakens the resolve of this nation to get that job done puts those kids at extreme risk by emboldening their adersaries.

Knock it off.

Skydancer · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:54:10 PM »

I'll repeat then

"You know maybe you are right Yeager. Just sad he even had to go in the first place. Maybe withdrawl now is not possible. But that means troops will have to be there for a very long time."

You see sometimes one can change their opinion after reading something and thinking.

I was agreeing with our freind Yeager here. Maybe though I think the mission is a wrong un, to try and go back on it now would endanger those troops lives, and therefore both our nations will have to see it through, though painfull and bloody the way will be.They are there now for right or wrong and so we have to support them. That doesn't mean we cant question the reason they are there and learn from the mistake.

Nash · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:54:53 PM »

Hang - lets not disregard the timing of all this.....

There's been no anti-war movement up until now. None, zero, zilch, nada.

So any lack of success cannot be pawned off on Sheehan, or the nation's "loss of will." This is not Vietnam, and this isn't happening.

The administration is leaking like a sieve and has been doing so for months. This war went unrecoverably down the crapper long before anybody knew who Sheehan was.

She is simply saying: "Enough."

Maverick · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2005, 07:58:35 PM »

If you talk to a VN Vet you can ask them what they thought when they came home to the treatment they received. They were reviled, spat upon, callied names and assaulted, just because they served. The "people" who did that were taking out their aggression on the troops who placed their lives on the line.

Morale in the service for years after that was depressed to say the least.

To see something like this womans actions and the people who are supporting her are bringing back memories of what it was like. The disgusting protest at a soldiers funeral really pissed me off. If you have a problem with politics, keep it at a political level. Leave the troops out of the hate fest, they do not deserve that.

Nash · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:00:04 PM »

That's the point - there is no hate fest.

Skydancer · « **Reply #26 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:02:55 PM »

Very very true. I was not blaming the troops nor questioning them at all. Infact I have not done so in this thread once. More than once I have stated that they are courageous and to be admired. But the decisions taken by those at the top have been very wrong, and its the troops that are paying with their lives.

Not those leaders on holiday or enjoying life at number10!!

WindX · « **Reply #27 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:14:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
same could be said for any fireman or police officer,

knowning the risks, it was the career they choose

the mother is embarrassing the son with her media circus actions

now if he were drafted, forced against his will to serve, it'd be different

Well said and to the point!:aok

bj229r · « **Reply #28 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:17:17 PM »

This chick says it all:

......."On the bright side, Sheehan shows us what Democrats would say if they thought they were immunized from disagreement. Sheehan has called President Bush "that filth-spewer and warmonger." She says "America has been killing people on this continent since it was started" and "the killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years." She calls the U.S. government a "morally repugnant system" and says, "This country is not worth dying for." I have a feeling every time this gal opens her trap, Michael Moore gets a residuals check.

Evidently, however, there are some things worth killing for. Sheehan recently said she only seemed calm "because if I started hitting something, I wouldn't stop 'til it was dead." It's a wonder Bush won't meet with her."

COPYRIGHT 2005 ANN COULTER

VOR · « **Reply #29 on:** August 18, 2005, 08:18:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Skydancer
But the decisions taken by those at the top have been very wrong, and its the troops that are paying with their lives.

Supposing the troops disagreed with you...still think highly of them?