Calif Nov Election

[NUKE]

MT, maybe all humans should have equal rights. That would be fine with me.

Fetuses would have equal rights and all would be well.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Do our rights begin at age 18? I mean constitutional rights. Can we legally restrict the constitutional rights of someone because they are under 18?

Seems to me 73 is a no brainer for all you nanny state haters. You want your daughter's rights taken away?

And the school can't arrange an abortion that is just nonsense. She would have to do it on her own.

Yeah great, they should have all the same rights.

Lets not force them to go to school, it should be their right to choose.

Lets not force them to stay with their parents, it should be their right to choose.

Booze? Hell we are opression kids by not letting them drink at 12, hell, they should have the same rights, right?

Maybe they should vote too?

Hell lets get rid of all age of consent laws because children should have a right to choose when and who they sleep with and if that means your 12 year chooses to shack up with you 40 year old neighbor, well as long as they made the choice on their own they should have that right!

Kid need braces? Well not if he doesnt want them, it should be his right to refuse.

Kid gets bad grades so you want to send them to their room, oh no, that would be unlawfull imprisonment! Hey they have the right to not be locked up without a trial like adults!

There is a reason why parents are supposed to make decisions about a their kids life when they are a minor, the reason being kids are not going to make the right decision in many cases.

But I guess abortion is such a minor thing they should have the only say.

Maybe we should just eliminate those evil opressive parents from the whole deal, the government could do so  much better!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Maybe we should just eliminate those evil opressive parents from the whole deal, the government could do so  much better!

I'm confused. If we agree to 73 are we not directing the government to ensure that doctors notify parents?

Seems to me that voting no on 73 means keeping the government out of the situation.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm confused. If we agree to 73 are we not directing the government to ensure that doctors notify parents?

Seems to me that voting no on 73 means keeping the government out of the situation.

because it removes rights from parents.  It is my RIGHT as a parent to determine what's best for my kids.  I view this differently, this is the govt stepping in and telling me what's best for my children.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
because it removes rights from parents.  It is my RIGHT as a parent to determine what's best for my kids.  I view this differently, this is the govt stepping in and telling me what's best for my children.

Was that the case? Were the clinics ignoring "age of consent" or was there some other applicable statute. I can't recall that clinics have ever been required to notify parents about abortions. Maybe it was simply a loophole in the law? Did the government actually have an active hand in shielding pregnant children from their parents?

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm confused. If we agree to 73 are we not directing the government to ensure that doctors notify parents?

Seems to me that voting no on 73 means keeping the government out of the situation.

Yeah by giving a minor adult rights.

Do you think minors should have all the same rights as adults?
Do you think it is ok for minors to have medical procedures done without parental consent?

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Sandman
Was that the case? Were the clinics ignoring "age of consent" or was there some other applicable statute. I can't recall that clinics have ever been required to notify parents about abortions. Maybe it was simply a loophole in the law? Did the government actually have an active hand in shielding pregnant children from their parents?

Right now the law allows a minor to have an abortion without parental consent.

Bet your bellybutton they wont even admit a minor to a hospital for anything else or at least not lay a finger on the kid without parental consent or consent of the gaurdian. (with the exception of the kid dying on the spot without it)

[GtoRA2]

Sandy
 Would you be ok with your 16 year old kid joining the military without your consent?

[lazs2]

as usual sandie is avoiding the question.... Of course he doesn't want children to have the same rights as adults... he just want's to protect his precious abortions...  he want's to make sure that every abortion possible takes place.

children are not mature enough to make decisions except.... when it comes to abortion?   Parents are responsible for their kids except... when it comes to abortion?  

you tell me what is  the age of consent for children and at that point.... they can make their own decisions.   I don't think I should pay for any school employees time or fuel to get em to the clinic tho...  the school should have nothing to do with it no matter what happens.

we see two different viewpoints here... the one of the parents who have children and the one of the guys who want to screw that child and not worry about having to pay for the child of the child.

lazs

[lazs2]

also.... if we allow children to decide if they want an abortion or not without any notification of the parents.... shouldn't they also be able to decide to get sterilized or not without parental notification?

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Right now the law allows a minor to have an abortion without parental consent.

Back to my question. When did these laws go into effect?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
as usual sandie is avoiding the question.... Of course he doesn't want children to have the same rights as adults... he just want's to protect his precious abortions...  he want's to make sure that every abortion possible takes place.

children are not mature enough to make decisions except.... when it comes to abortion?   Parents are responsible for their kids except... when it comes to abortion?  

you tell me what is  the age of consent for children and at that point.... they can make their own decisions.   I don't think I should pay for any school employees time or fuel to get em to the clinic tho...  the school should have nothing to do with it no matter what happens.

we see two different viewpoints here... the one of the parents who have children and the one of the guys who want to screw that child and not worry about having to pay for the child of the child.

lazs

Well... since you're making my opinion for me, you can answer for me as well. In fact, just go right on ahead and argue your side and the only other side of this issue that you can see. You can just leave me out of it.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Sandman
Back to my question. When did these laws go into effect?

I have no idea, prolly sometime around Roe V Wade?





I do not see why the law being around for any time period has any bearing on the question though.

It still boils down to giving a minor adult rights over a medical procedure.

If your going to give kids adult rights where do you draw the line, why is this right special?


So would you be ok with a law saying any kid 12 and over can sign up for the military, no parental say? Or buy booze? Or drive? Or own guns? Or smoke? All things Minors don't have the right to do now.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Sandman
Well... since you're making my opinion for me, you can answer for me as well. In fact, just go right on ahead and argue your side and the only other side of this issue that you can see. You can just leave me out of it.

Bah, ignore Laz for now!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yeah by giving a minor adult rights.

Do you think minors should have all the same rights as adults?
Do you think it is ok for minors to have medical procedures done without parental consent?

1. Not entirely. No.
2. Maybe. It depends on the procedure.