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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2005, 12:32:21 AM »
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You're not pilots practicing skilled ACMs, ... you're gamers twisting joysticks to entertain yourselves... some find fun where others don't.


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« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2005, 12:36:24 AM »
bombers can't run Mr Dot Double Dot.

You have Geos to cash. Be gone.
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« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2005, 12:54:43 AM »
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You have nothing to gain from flying and dying but eternal glory.  Nothing happens if you die.  Nothing happens if you live.

But the memories live on forever when you really push the envelope, when you risk it all, when you realize you might not make it back, yet you still fight harder.


Anything but this is cowardice.


Nothing makes me 'push the envelope' more than fear of dying. When I fly with no fear of dying I really don't give a crap about the outcome, I get lazy and careless, if I don't fly well and die, who cares, fresh plane for me. I learn alot more fighting my bellybutton off to live thru a fight than I do when I don't care about my virtual fate.

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« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2005, 12:55:28 AM »
teh be scared of meh...

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« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2005, 01:07:16 AM »
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bombers can't run Mr Dot Double Dot.

You have Geos to cash. Be gone.


You're up late for a school night, boy. You should run along before your mom gets pissed.
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« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2005, 01:36:21 AM »
lol oh so clever as always sandy.

Coming from a guy who cashes minerals for fun. :aok
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« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2005, 01:48:24 AM »
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Coming from a guy who cashes minerals for fun. :aok


Minerals?
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« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2005, 01:51:38 AM »
Don't forget the gang bang factor ... if you're in a sector and the dar bars show odds are against you, you know that if you engage and get slow you'll just end up getting swarmed. And a lot of the people you'd "engage" will just run to their buddies when you do ... so you get swarmed.

If you wanna attract enemy fighters fly a Yak or P47 ... at least that's what I've noticed.

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« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2005, 01:54:42 AM »
had a guy tonight come screaming in 10 feet off the deck vulch me, reverse and run back to his CV. I rolled and started following him only to watch him auger infront of me because he was too busy looking out his 6 probably zoomed in on me.

yes, top of the line sticks we have in the MA.
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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2005, 01:54:49 AM »
Lately, I've noticed that people launch IL2 into busy sectors. Why?
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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2005, 02:13:19 AM »
hit sprites.
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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2005, 02:17:05 AM »
being able to see them under the nose you mean moot?
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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2005, 02:58:08 AM »
Running is the #1 form of defense - you may never win, but hey, at least you'll never lose as long as you time your escape right.

 Besides, the MA is full of planes that do over 350mph TAS at deck and the bases are placed on average 30miles away from each other. If people venture out at about 15miles and meet at the middle point, basically 1~2 minutes of running will get someone to homebase when they start to dive.

 Even a La-7, the fastest non-perked plane, might not be enough to catch down its temporaries in time, if they turn around and dive full speed towards home. The most popular planes in the MA easily reach over 450mph at dives and then slow down and stabilize at speeds over 360~370mph typically. In about a minute or two it reaches home base, and more likely, within about 30 seconds it would be able to meet other friendlies to seek help.

 So, when anybody can do this, why the hell should anyone expect any plane to actually fight? Its not cowardice, its not newbie stuff. It's basically the simplest, most rational choice of behavior - why risk a fight that might take minutes and has a considerable risk, when you can run for 30 seconds and reach home?

 Not everyone is a serious flyer nor a combat buff. Expecting them to "honor" some imaginary code of "combat" and fight everytime you want a fight, is just plain stupid and selfish. Many MA gamers are casual/light gamers who don't necessarily share the same views on "fun", as you miserable, complaining "vets" gathered at this spot.

 Besides, the terrains, the planeset, the basic system, etc etc.. everything is geared to make people act that way. Why, I don't recall any of the most vocal whiners here in this post ever supporting (for example) something like longer bases distances... perked latewar aircraft.. RPS.. or any other ideas that might have been able to stop people from acting this way.

 Nope. Most of you here wanted furball friendly terrains, short bases distances (because flying a long time is boring), no perks for late-war vehicles (since it inhibits their own planes most of the times), and etc etc..

 And after all that, contributing a very hefty, conservative public opinion that helped make AH MA stay as it always was - unchanging, stagnant, chaotic, unstructured - and now start to complain about people that don't fight anymore.

 
 Basically, like it or not, you guys had it coming.

 As long as the terrains, planes, and gameplay stay this way, people will always act this way. That's how the game is structured.

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« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2005, 03:33:13 AM »
Yeah, the game lost some appeal when they removed that.
Gamey as it was, there was nothing as great as meditating the con's trajectory while blind to it, or from an off angle/distance, and seeing those hit sprites appear out of the blue.

Kweassa, you're right, there's a category some 'miserable' vets fall into.
I'm a selfish, greedy bastard, and getting kills I haven't earned means nothing to me.
Sufficing myself to victories without peril is a snore.
The reason for fighting is to come out on top.  You're not going to come out on top without fighting.  Turning home is self-defeating, why up in the first place?  There aren't any non-combat vehicles yet, except for the goons... Were a boxer to step out of and run away from the ring, by the logic of your post, he'd not have lost the bout.

Turning away from any fight is vain.
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« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2005, 04:06:27 AM »
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Without risks, you have no rewards.  Those that think making it back to base is a reward are just fooling themselves into thinking they've accomplished something.

I'd rather risk it all and take out 5 with me as I go down then to wimper back home without even have given a mean face to someone.



 I'd rather take out 5 and rtb with the kills. Im vain and like to see my name in lights. That is my reward, no fooling.