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Offline gatt

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« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2005, 04:32:02 AM »
Hey,
we cannot all be fearless aces with steel nerves and hawk eyes! You need targets! We RTBing Timid Dweebs (TM) are your targets, you dont have to worry about us, even if we have alt advantage, go figure. :D

Cowardice, thats great ...  :lol
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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2005, 05:04:42 AM »
Watching paint dry isn't cowardice, nor is sitting on your thumb.. that's likely to be taken for a #4 or #5 or whatever, but that's not my intent.
I have nothing against Kweassa, and I won't hold it against a 'teammate' in the MA if he runs away with his tail between his legs if it's just the two of us as a swarm of red appears ahead.
But that doesn't mean I agree it's the best choice, nor what I'd do in his place.
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« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2005, 07:21:02 AM »
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Shane, the la7 for you is a crutch.

I'm not going to tell people how to fly.  But I will say this.   If you land kills in any spitfire, la7, niki or hurri, and still think you are some "great pilot" at this game, then you have problems.

Go ahead, get kills in those plane, do whatever you need to to compete with other pilots at different skill levels, just don't think for a second that you are a great pilot in AH.


Again with the my plane is better than your plane thing.

Curious to know what plane you have to fly to be a great pilot.
AM6? KI84? Tempest?

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« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2005, 07:21:56 AM »
Hurri Mk1 :D.
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« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2005, 07:28:29 AM »
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Curious to know what plane you have to fly to be a great pilot.
AM6? KI84? Tempest?


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« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2005, 07:37:17 AM »
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Were a boxer to step out of and run away from the ring, by the logic of your post, he'd not have lost the bout.

Strange mentallity for sure.

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« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2005, 07:46:37 AM »
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Running is the #1 form of defense - you may never win, but hey, at least you'll never lose as long as you time your escape right.

 Besides, the MA is full of planes that do over 350mph TAS at deck and the bases are placed on average 30miles away from each other. If people venture out at about 15miles and meet at the middle point, basically 1~2 minutes of running will get someone to homebase when they start to dive.

 Even a La-7, the fastest non-perked plane, might not be enough to catch down its temporaries in time, if they turn around and dive full speed towards home. The most popular planes in the MA easily reach over 450mph at dives and then slow down and stabilize at speeds over 360~370mph typically. In about a minute or two it reaches home base, and more likely, within about 30 seconds it would be able to meet other friendlies to seek help.

 So, when anybody can do this, why the hell should anyone expect any plane to actually fight? Its not cowardice, its not newbie stuff. It's basically the simplest, most rational choice of behavior - why risk a fight that might take minutes and has a considerable risk, when you can run for 30 seconds and reach home?

 Not everyone is a serious flyer nor a combat buff. Expecting them to "honor" some imaginary code of "combat" and fight everytime you want a fight, is just plain stupid and selfish. Many MA gamers are casual/light gamers who don't necessarily share the same views on "fun", as you miserable, complaining "vets" gathered at this spot.

 Besides, the terrains, the planeset, the basic system, etc etc.. everything is geared to make people act that way. Why, I don't recall any of the most vocal whiners here in this post ever supporting (for example) something like longer bases distances... perked latewar aircraft.. RPS.. or any other ideas that might have been able to stop people from acting this way.

 Nope. Most of you here wanted furball friendly terrains, short bases distances (because flying a long time is boring), no perks for late-war vehicles (since it inhibits their own planes most of the times), and etc etc..

 And after all that, contributing a very hefty, conservative public opinion that helped make AH MA stay as it always was - unchanging, stagnant, chaotic, unstructured - and now start to complain about people that don't fight anymore.

 
 Basically, like it or not, you guys had it coming.

 As long as the terrains, planes, and gameplay stay this way, people will always act this way. That's how the game is structured.


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« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2005, 08:03:44 AM »
ooooo, burn!
Surrounded by suck and underwhelmed with mediocrity.
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« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2005, 09:11:27 AM »
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Shane, the la7 for you is a crutch.

I'm not going to tell people how to fly.  But I will say this.   If you land kills in any spitfire, la7, niki or hurri, and still think you are some "great pilot" at this game, then you have problems.

Go ahead, get kills in those plane, do whatever you need to to compete with other pilots at different skill levels, just don't think for a second that you are a great pilot in AH.



oooooooooooo  ... O' "great pilot" of the Aces High skies ... please let us all in on the secret of becoming a "great pilot" ... what plane(s) must we fly to achieve such greatness.

I HATE tards that measure "greatness" by what plane one flys. Myopic people at best.
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« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2005, 09:29:48 AM »
true slap. it's not what one flys but rather how one flies what one flys.
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« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2005, 09:36:53 AM »
Yep, its not about the equipment.... its how  you use it!


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« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2005, 09:52:37 AM »
And exactly what, in your opinion, consitutes a great pilot?  You make it sound as if kills in an LA or Spit, etc. are never valid or earned.

So tell us what are the criteria for greatness so we'll all have a clue.

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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Shane, the la7 for you is a crutch.

I'm not going to tell people how to fly.  But I will say this.   If you land kills in any spitfire, la7, niki or hurri, and still think you are some "great pilot" at this game, then you have problems.

Go ahead, get kills in those plane, do whatever you need to to compete with other pilots at different skill levels, just don't think for a second that you are a great pilot in AH.
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« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2005, 09:59:45 AM »
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Besides, the terrains, the planeset, the basic system, etc etc.. everything is geared to make people act that way. Why, I don't recall any of the most vocal whiners here in this post ever supporting (for example) something like longer bases distances... perked latewar aircraft.. RPS.. or any other ideas that might have been able to stop people from acting this way.


Spot on.
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« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2005, 10:01:20 AM »
You are too thick headed to understand my asian writting maniac, that perking planes will only make people act like bigger ******* in them.
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« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2005, 10:23:24 AM »
Kweassa's suggestions are only "spot on" if you take them in reverse, seeing as they would probably have the result of making people even more timid.  Are you more likely to run if it'll take you 5 minutes to get back to the fight, or 20?  This is confirmed in that this sort of timidity was less common in AW, where base distances were typically closer.  The AH MA terrains typically have featured bases which are just a little too far apart to be ideal for "arena-style" combat.  Kweassa's "advertising" of his idea reminds me of a Ron Popeil infomercial (I mean that as a compliment, as the latter gentleman is quite good at what he does).  It's presented as the best thing since sliced bread, but in practice it'd just end up forgotten on the back shelf once the novelty wears off.


I suspect another large part of the timid behavior in AH stems from the "name in lights when you land" kill message setup, as someone else noted.  

You will never have an arena with NO runners whatsoever, but it's possible to reduce them to a minimal amount.  Sometimes running isn't such a bad thing; running away from a horde to deny them the skill-less kill just out of spite is very much in the "hate thy enemy" flight sim tradition.

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