Author Topic: N. texas shooters (Read 1882 times)

Toad · « **Reply #75 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:38:05 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Talk is cheap there dead eye:rofl

Missed that one on the first pass.

Been there, done that. Got the snapshots and the witnesses.

Sorry if you feel it's "impossible". BTW it wasn't with a .223. It was a .300 Wby with a custom ballistically compensated reticle Leupold 3x9.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #76 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:38:31 PM »

Another good artical on the 223 and white tails

http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=4836

fartwinkle · « **Reply #77 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:39:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Missed that one on the first pass.

Been there, done that. Got the snapshots and the witnesses.

Sorry if you feel it's "impossible". BTW it wasn't with a .223. It was a .300 Wby with a custom ballistically compensated reticle Leupold 3x9.

Take your word for it.

Toad · « **Reply #78 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:42:47 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Ofcoures Im saying for just me.
I cant speak for anyone else but myself now can I?

Then you need to go back and edit these statements of YOURS:

"Like I said unless he his hunting anything bigger than white tail deer the 223 is just dandy."

"I fing those that need a larger cartridge are those who frankly cant shoot well."

"A 69grn rnd going 3.200 ft per sec will do just fine on a white tail deer up to 500yds."

"Its more the pesky fact that the majority of "hunters" cant shoot for chit."

"Now if you go back to the beginning I was simply telling who ever it was that If you are not hunting anything bigger than white tail a 223 is fine"

Clearly you weren't saying it just for yourself. You're advising others and making fun of those who use something larger and more appropriate for whitetail. And, of course, insulting me throughout the exchange.

However, I accept your admission that you got in way over your head on this one and that you now realize the .223 is a very limited whitetail cartridge.

You're welcome.

Toad · « **Reply #79 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:45:31 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Take your word for it.

Oh, I can scan the old snapshot photos if you like.

And pics of the other elk taken by others in the party. NW of Gunnison in either the Red Creek, Soap Creek or Beaver Creek drainages. The group has been going out there the last 30 years or so. I only made a relatively few of the trips.

I assure you, however, folks in that group routinely make 400 yard shots on running elk.

It's funny how people perceive things. If one considers something impossible, it usually is. For them.

Toad · « **Reply #80 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:53:21 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Another good artical on the 223 and white tails

http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=4836

Note well, the .223 WSSM is much faster than the .223 Rem.

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The .223 WSSM will be offered in... a 64-grain PowerPoint at 3600 fps.

These figures compare to.... 3090 fps for the 64-grain bullet in Winchester’s Supreme .223 Remington PowerPoint loading (the only other place Winchester loads that bullet).

The WSSM is 500 fps faster than the .223 Rem.

All of the deer in the "test hunt" were shot at short range. The longest range was the largest buck, a 207 pounder taken at 125 yards. The rest mentioned were extreme short range at smaller deer.

And this with a cartridge SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than the .223 Rem.

Yeah, the .223 Rem will work... at short range. It's not a "fine" cartridge for overall use on whitetail from sea to shining sea, however. Once again, the article points that out.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #81 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:56:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Oh, I can scan the old snapshot photos if you like.

And pics of the other elk taken by others in the party. NW of Gunnison in either the Red Creek, Soap Creek or Beaver Creek drainages. The group has been going out there the last 30 years or so. I only made a relatively few of the trips.

I assure you, however, folks in that group routinely make 400 yard shots on running elk.

It's funny how people perceive things. If one considers something impossible, it usually is. For them.

I have no resone to doubt you as unlike some I give the benefit of the doubt.
I used to hunt over by rangley just west of grand junction might have even slipped into utah once or twice:O

For elk I went to pagosa springs my uncle always knew the good spots.

As far as shooting at a running target i cant say its impossible but I will say it
is irisponsable because I have never heard of anyone being able to do that
with atleast a 90% chance of a kill shot.
I learned to never say never a long time ago as this world still to this day suprises me.

My personal ethics would be to make sure as in as close to a 100% chance of a kill shot I feel I owe the animale that much.

Now I have seen it done though as my uncle did it once hit a doe at around 300yds on a pretty good run or hop but she got hit in the bowels and needless to say we had to track her and dress her out before the meat was ruined.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #82 on:** February 24, 2006, 01:59:00 PM »

It really comes down to this.
Some hunt with a bow.
Some hunt with blk powder rifles.
Some hunt with pistols.
And then some hunt with light caliburs for the challenge of it.
Otherwise hunting tx deer is just boring.

Toad · « **Reply #83 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:01:31 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
As far as shooting at a running target i cant say its impossible but I will say it
is irisponsable because I have never heard of anyone being able to do that
with atleast a 90% chance of a kill shot.
I learned to never say never a long time ago as this world still to this day suprises me.

I suggest you start with jackrabbits and a .22 autoloader and progress from there.

It can be practiced and competency obtained.

The guy that impressed me most in my early days was an excellent rifle shot that could kill a running coyote at 300. And do it routinely.

He could also toss a quarter up in the air with one hand and hit 3 out of 5 or better with a Browning .22 takedown that he bought when he returned from WW2.

So many people thought that was "impossible" he easily paid for the gun suckering people into betting against him. He eventually had to go to shooting dimes to get people to bet against him. Those were tougher and he lost some of the 3/5 bets.

I used to hunt elk with him; he was a rifleman, not a shooter.

Toad · « **Reply #84 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:03:14 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
And then some hunt with light caliburs for the challenge of it.

Did you ever think how hypocritical it is of you to condemn those that take a 300 yard running shot on elk with a truly adequate caliber while you promote hunting with what is basically a marginal caliber for the "challenge of it"?

No, otoh, I bet you don't.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #85 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:22:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Did you ever think how hypocritical it is of you to condemn those that take a 300 yard running shot on elk with a truly adequate caliber while you promote hunting with what is basically a marginal caliber for the "challenge of it"?

No, otoh, I bet you don't.

Its only hypocritcal if I try a shot i am not sure of making and I dont.
LOL I bet five outta five trys I can hit the vitals on my static target more than you can on your running target that sir is my point.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #86 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:24:22 PM »

And just so you all dont think Im trying to say im all that here is the target i shot yesterday with the 45 i bought for the wifes carry weapon.

As you can clearly see I suk with a pistola.

Toad · « **Reply #87 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:47:09 PM »

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Originally posted by fartwinkle
Its only hypocritcal if I try a shot i am not sure of making and I dont.
LOL I bet five outta five trys I can hit the vitals on my static target more than you can on your running target that sir is my point.

I thought the hypocrisy would escape you.

It's there though.

fartwinkle · « **Reply #88 on:** February 24, 2006, 02:53:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I thought the hypocrisy would escape you.

It's there though.

And logic escapes you im afraid.

Like most folks on the internet you are a legend in your own mind its all to common.

So far all I have seen from you is talk and I have even said I would take you at your word but ofcoures like all of those missing the gear you feel you must keep on with a pissing contest so have fun.

Now back on topic is there anyone in the N texas area that has the time I would welcome you company at backwoods trap this sunday afternoon.

Toad · « **Reply #89 on:** February 24, 2006, 03:21:15 PM »

You spent the entire thread trying to convince people that the .223 Rem is a "fine" deer cartridge. You linked articles that failed to justify that statement.

You now admit that the .223 Rem pretty much sucks for whitetail except in certain very limited and specific circumstances.

Put the happiest face on it that you like.

Take the shots you personally feel comfortable taking.

I'll continue to do the same. Like I said, I have the photographic record and live witnesses that justify the statements of what I have done.

You feel confident taking a shot at deer-sized game that isn't moving at short ranges. Good for you. Congratulate yourself on your abilities and tell yourself what a challenge it is.

I bet you can pee in the average size toilet bowl without missing 99% of the time too.