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« Reply #195 on: March 13, 2006, 06:19:27 AM »
Well don't let the door hit you in the arnold on the way out! Jeez !!! give it up already !

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« Reply #196 on: March 13, 2006, 10:52:06 AM »
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The best we could do is add 2 more fields to the terrain that are 1 or 2 miles apart, with no ack or other objects other than a hangar or tower.


That would be perfect..

I wount dispute what the DA was intended for.. though I do know that alot of people did use it for quick rince and repeat duels from the same field with ACM training as intent...

I dont see any problem with having that co-existing with what you intended the DA for if you locate it on a separate corner of the map...

Hope it gets done.

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« Reply #197 on: March 13, 2006, 11:44:45 AM »
Lets get over what the DA was intended for.  HT is not using it.  We are.  We are paing, he is collecting.  That makes us 'customers' (look it up in the dictionary).  The fact remains that a few people on a two week account (and some regulars) are/were being allowed to have fun at the expence of others.  Was that what the DA was also intended for?

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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #198 on: March 13, 2006, 03:57:16 PM »
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Well don't let the door hit you in the arnold on the way out! Jeez !!! give it up already !


Regardless of the totalitarian state you reside in Fugitive, I have the right to my opinion and to voice it here in the forum, especially as I've PAID for that right.  And no matter how much it bothers you (or how long your trolling tackle is), my purpose in ever posting about any problems, flaws or changes to the status quo is ostensibly to improve the "game" and/or "experience" for as many people as possible, admittedly including myself.  I don't think I'm being especially selfish in wanting all the value I HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS to reasonably continue.  Especially, as I'm still paying the same amount.  Nor am I unreasonable in not understanding why HiTech prefers to limit and punish everyone in wake of the violation of a very few.  Especially, when there are good alternatives that might significantly mitigate (if not necessarily eliminate) the problem, but which they won't even try, though the majority of respectable DA users have asked them to.
What it appears like, is rather than take the responsible position of  working on the problem with the community, HiTech just took the easiest way out to theoretically get everyone off their back.  The result of that and their subsiquent attitude and inaction as been to create a lot of ill will.  From experience, I know no business venture can long ignore any significant ill will that they generate if they wish to remain successful.  It just piles up bit by bit, until the camel's straw is eventually reached.
On the other hand, admittedly, not everyone even uses the DA, but a fairly large number do, and for many of them it was an integral part of AH2.   Just like the KOTH tourneys, and CT, and H2H, etc. are for others.  Effectively cripple one of those scenarios for any reason and see who starts "whining".  Is the way this issue is being address a precursor for when another AH feature has 'problems'?   Maybe something you consider important enough to complain about?
The DA is where I've meet most of my friends from both the opposing countries, which I carry over to the MA when I say "Hi" to them there.  It was a good place for many squad exercises (the TA less so as we've tested it recently).  A good place to practice without excessive time-wasting travel or involved setup of 'duels'.  It was efficient, informative, fun and yes, generally very friendly.  It's none of those things now.  And the numbers of people who are now NOT using it, proves the point.
Getting back to the fact that you disparage someone else's concerns and enjoyment of the game, just reflects what a piss poor person you are, an embarrassment to any 'forum' structure.   You would have been far more eloquent and respected to have just kept your mouth shut.
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« Reply #199 on: March 13, 2006, 05:29:34 PM »
Isn't it clear that there are alot of people who are concerned about the DA and what has happened to it?    Just look at the number of posts to Sloehand's original note.

I echo everything Sloehand says and then some.  I too am a long term paying customer of Hitechcreations. com.  I enjoyed the DA and miss being able to use it now.  There is no one there anymore except those new folks who have no idea what they are doing.  No one with experience is going there anymore. Those of us who previously were there alot,  hate it. If you try to come from another field,  so KILL SHOOTER is not off,  they just all gang up on you.  If you arrange to duel with someone,  and another person has the same plane,  you can't tell who is who.  The solution continues to be an unmitigated disaster.  

It is true that the number of people who fly in the DA is much smaller than the MA,  but the extent of the ill will being created by this absurd solution to a rather trivial problem is far larger than might be expected from the number of people wanting things changed.

When new people come to AH,  they might try the TA for a while,  but when they wander to the DA to check their skills,  won't they wonder why there is no one there?  If they are curious, they will go to the forums and read and read and read.  The number of posts to this very item will attract their attention. And what will their impression be?  I believe it is clear that they will be turned off.  If it is the intention of HTC to chase off potential customers and lose long standing fans,  they are on the best way to doing just that.

It is also interesting that there is so little response from HTC on this issue.  One could and should expect more.  

Silence is not golden here.

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« Reply #200 on: March 13, 2006, 06:18:06 PM »
10 months huh WOW! my time is in YEARS here, and Years at that other game that EA killed and we don't mention here.

The problem is NOT that you voice your complaint, everyone has that right, and boards were made for them. The problem is that even AFTER getting an answer from the the "owners and designers" of the game you STILL continue to make all the same statements over and over and over again! You sound like a 12 year old who can't get his way !!

HTC made his decision, and weather you believe it right or wrong its his company. And if you believe that the dissatifaction with the decision made on the DA will slowly, but surely destroy this company you have a very small view of the popularity of this game. You should have been around when HTC put in the "Eny Value" to try and even out the side imblalance between countries. They quit in droves !!! I don't think their sticks had time to cool off and they were back.

The point is, you guys made your play, layed out your case and a decision was made. Right or wrong, thats the way it is. Live with it, or move along.

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« Reply #201 on: March 13, 2006, 06:20:43 PM »
Hello Mr Sloehand and Mr Wittmann,

I was thinking of what I might add to this post. Here is my .02:

Thank you both, along with others whom I apologize that my memory cannot bring up the names, for all the time you have spent in the old DA with me.

We first met there, and your training was fun!

to you guys that have helped others in the ole DA!


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« Reply #202 on: March 14, 2006, 09:45:29 AM »
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10 months huh WOW! my time is in YEARS here, and Years at that other game that EA killed and we don't mention here.

The problem is NOT that you voice your complaint, everyone has that right, and boards were made for them. The problem is that even AFTER getting an answer from the the "owners and designers" of the game you STILL continue to make all the same statements over and over and over again! You sound like a 12 year old who can't get his way !!

HTC made his decision, and weather you believe it right or wrong its his company. And if you believe that the dissatifaction with the decision made on the DA will slowly, but surely destroy this company you have a very small view of the popularity of this game. You should have been around when HTC put in the "Eny Value" to try and even out the side imblalance between countries. They quit in droves !!! I don't think their sticks had time to cool off and they were back.

The point is, you guys made your play, layed out your case and a decision was made. Right or wrong, thats the way it is. Live with it, or move along.


:rofl Nop, the problem is people like you.  If you don't like what you read, then leave the thread or STFU.
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Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #203 on: March 14, 2006, 09:50:24 AM »
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:rofl Nop, the problem is people like you.  If you don't like what you read, then leave the thread or STFU.


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« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2006, 10:05:34 AM »
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The problem is NOT that you voice your complaint, everyone has that right, and boards were made for them. The problem is that even AFTER getting an answer from the the "owners and designers" of the game you STILL continue to make all the same statements over and over and over again! You sound like a 12 year old who can't get his way !!

HTC made his decision, and weather you believe it right or wrong its his company. And if you believe that the dissatifaction with the decision made on the DA will slowly, but surely destroy this company you have a very small view of the popularity of this game. You should have been around when HTC put in the "Eny Value" to try and even out the side imblalance between countries. They quit in droves !!! I don't think their sticks had time to cool off and they were back.



I do not belive I could have stated this any better.

I'll only add one more piece. If a person continualy restate their view with out any change ,even after a topic has died, that posting will cause me to start ignoring that persons requests and posts.

2nd:SloeHand.

The cold hard fact.

You do not pay for the right to post here. Nor do you pay for the right to have the game designed to your desire. You pay for access to the content as is, and that content can be designed any way I wish. And you are free to either choose to pay for that that content or not.

Any thing other than that is simply both our desires to make our products more fun.

HiTech

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« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2006, 10:11:15 AM »
Well said Hitech. We all pay rent for the existing content. We are not the owners. You have a great product Hitech.
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« Reply #206 on: March 14, 2006, 12:10:48 PM »
I was in the DA last nite and it looked like an Uber H2H room with 1 knight and 6 bish flying to take him on.

Funny how you shut down the vulch scenario and everyone cry's about it.

It;s hard too find someone who knows what a cold merge is and actually practices it at the same time.

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« Reply #207 on: March 14, 2006, 12:38:17 PM »
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The cold hard fact.
Opposing fields A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, A11, A12, A13, A14 and V9, V10 are all Knight fields.
Opposing A17 and A18 are both Rook.
Vehicle island fields V37, V38, V39 and V40 are all Bish.
Furball Island fields A41 and A42 are Bish.

With killshooter on, those fields are unusable. Can somebody take five minutes time and switch some of those fields to different country?

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« Reply #208 on: March 14, 2006, 01:12:27 PM »
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Vehicle island fields V37, V38, V39 and V40 are all Bish.


Actually about a year and 1/2 ago we had a event called Tank Klubb in the DA and that vehicle area posed a problem for the tank battles because we saw each others icons.so i called skuzzy and he turned on the tanks at 42,41 area so we could spawn out and fight was alot of fun and involved no kill shooter.

When i started playing back in 2000 the DA was where you settled your differences or you squad trained.We would all tune too one of the upper channels (211) and be able to talk between countries while we fought each other,it was a fun training experience and i learned alot from it,all happened without worrying about the kill shooter.

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« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2006, 07:14:22 PM »
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I do not belive I could have stated this any better.

I'll only add one more piece. If a person continualy restate their view with out any change ,even after a topic has died, that posting will cause me to start ignoring that persons requests and posts.

2nd:SloeHand.

The cold hard fact.

You do not pay for the right to post here. Nor do you pay for the right to have the game designed to your desire. You pay for access to the content as is, and that content can be designed any way I wish. And you are free to either choose to pay for that that content or not.

Any thing other than that is simply both our desires to make our products more fun.

HiTech


HiTech-
I re-read your next-to-last post, in which you state your assumptions of what goes on in the DA, and by my experience they are largely inaccurate.  In both the nature of some of the actions and the degree of occurance that you attribute to them.

I can only assume you are correct that you intended the DA to be used only for pre-arranged 1v1 dueling.  But I also know you later added fields for tank v tank action, and there are areas specifically stated for furballing and bombers.  In other words, the DA is multifunctional, and does seem to require some level of an honor system to function cooperatively (i.e. not going to another area and interfering in some way with the activity going on there).

That players developed on their own, a pretty decent system for quick invitation 1v1 duels, only enhances the DA's functionality. It's true, due to the nature of the activity and its popularity, it is also the most easily disrupted by 'bad apples'.  But the far greater majority (I'd say 98%) of non-two week wonders (i.e. paying customers) do follow the 'accepted' rules there.  It is generally the newbs who cause the most problems, not veterans.

As for it not being a good training ground.  How many testimoies do you want to refute that?  They are easy to get because you are simply wrong.  I and many others have learned more ACM there than in the TA.  And I learned more about the game itself there, and various tips/tricks, cause that's where veterans of all countries hung out when not in the MA, and they would often take the time to answer questions.  Most of the time, the TA is full of newbs, one or two trainiers (maybe), and a veteran or two.  And while it's great place for getting newbs started and initially up to speed, it's the DA, which might often have 15 or 20 experience pilots at time, that was the best place for the advanced course.

As for your last post.  I thoroughly agree with the fact that its your game and your design.  You can change or not change it as you want, and we all have the option to vote our disapproval with our feet.  And I'm not out to personally aggravate anyone.  But, I truly think I, and others, have a legitimate concern, even after you've stated your new position on the DA (I'd originally heard killshooter was going to be temporary).

And yes, I'm trying to influence you into a certain action, of returning the DA to the more versatile feature it was before you turned killshooter on.  And I certainly want it changed for my own sake, but it is not just a personal whim, nor am I anywhere alone in wanting it.  It is not a selfish request to change the game just to suit me or for my own benefit.  
In any event, it's hard to find the 'right way' (and I'm certainly failing at it), because I don't know what way that is.  I simply must not be able understand your position or attitude when it comes to your customers.  It seems many of us don't.  

In the end, I'm not saying you have to accede to every demand, and certainly not  to any single individual's personal whim or desire.  But I believe a respectable number of people have been upset by this issue, especially as we can't understand why you would take such a position permanently.  We may be stupid or ignorant somehow, but we don't think there was a really, devastatingly major effort required on your part to help alleviate the original problem.  And we tried to tell you that your solution felt like you didn't want to even be bothered, wanted to get past it quickly any way you could, and ended up punishing us all.  I don't think you've ever adequately addressed that, and probably won't at this point.

Our initial assumption when the problem in the DA came to a head was, you would help us in some way with the problem, not make it worse. We mistakenly thought you would help and still allow the greater majority to enjoy the DA as it was.   We were so wrong.  You've made a change that has disappointed many people, in what "appears" to be a most cavalier way, whether that was your intention or not.  IUnfortunately, that was the impression that came across to me and others, and I guess it just added a bit of outrage to those who were upset in the first place.  

So, it's your game, your business, and we have to play it the way you want us to.  And that's the way it should be, up to a point.  The game is damn successful, or so I'm told.  It's certainly a great game and is very adicting.  I would simply caution that you should never rely on only that to sustain you.  Taken too far, it can become a powerful incentive to ignore any or all of us anytime you wish.  Though I hope I'm wrong, I get the sense that that's the relationship you want us to have.   Be careful you don't grow calluses.

Oh, and by the way.  I think it would be hard for you to ignore me any more than you already have.  :)

But game over.  Point, set, and match.  You win.
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