Author Topic: New ENY gripe (Read 4840 times)

LePaul · « **Reply #30 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:47:18 AM »

Surely ye jest.

I can see stopping perked planes and such, but when people cant up B24s, B-26s, P-51s and the sort....no, I disagree. Cannon-birds, maybe...but seeing ENYs in the mid 20s just makes me log out.

If you color that success, I dont agree.

SlapShot · « **Reply #31 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:10:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Pieper
Slapshot.......you're missin the whole picture....LOL

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Never have I seen someone who was on the chitty end of the stick come in here and complain that ENY should be changed so that those who are steamrolling them should be able to fly all the late war monsters and kick their butt even harder.

Those are the people who's whines created eny....which was designed to even sides. Not give you more perkies. Do you see it evening sides? Looks to me like you are missusing the arena.

Why, when I am fighting the wargame should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?[ [/B]

No ... I don't think I am. The picture is ... your getting stung by ENY and don't like it and your blaming it on those who jump to the over-populated country because they THINK that they will get perks for winning the bloody war ... I call BS ... simple as that.

ENY ... it's design was to entice people to switch sides (to the lower number countries) if they wanted to fly the lower ENY planes ... and at the same time limit the over-populated country to higher ENY planes in the hopes that the under-populated country could put up a fight using the lower ENY planes. Bottom line ... balancing sides is still left up to us ... HT just gave some of us incentives to want to switch sides and the ability to do it every 6 hours.

There are plently of us (squads and individuals) that actually TRY to balance by always switching to the side with the least amount of numbers so that you "loyal to one chess piece" people really don't get stung by ENY all that often.

Bottom line ... SUCK IT UP AND FLY.

wetrat · « **Reply #32 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:13:43 AM »

Fairly certain the switch time is 5 hours. And this is anything but a "new" gripe.

Bronk · « **Reply #33 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:16:48 AM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Surely ye jest.

I can see stopping perked planes and such, but when people cant up B24s, B-26s, P-51s and the sort....no, I disagree. Cannon-birds, maybe...but seeing ENYs in the mid 20s just makes me log out.

If you color that success, I dont agree.

Up ju88s , Ki 67 , bf 109 g2 ,g6 and here is an idea jump to a lower number side for the night.
logging out is your decision . I don't care as long as there is some semblance of balance.

Bronk

Silat · « **Reply #34 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:18:09 AM »

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Well, im afraid people would just swap sides to avoid ENY then. Easy: Change when you log off, then change back when you come on the next day, and you never betray your chess piece loyalty.

BTW, i think country time limit is 6 hours currently.

Still too long in my book, but i understand the need for that limit - yesterday i was Knight all afternoon (*heavily* outnumbered, so ENY was a real relief for us), swtiched to rook later when numbers were more even, to fly with a friend. 4 Hours later i was unable to find a fight because of the Rook horde that had logged on again - unfortunatly i had to log, since i was 2 hours away from a sideswitch....

Edit: On the ENY thing.... it was overboards yesterday. I agree. But so were the numbers: Rook 103, Bish 78, Knight 40....... I mean - COME ON, we needed all the advantages we could get. At one point we had two Bish fighters helping us CAP a rook base - >S< and thank you for that, was much appreciated.

You switched chess pieces to fly with a friend? You traitor:)

Nightshift82 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:26:42 AM »

just learn to fly planes with a lower eny, to me they are more fun to fly

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #36 on:** March 20, 2006, 12:06:31 PM »

There has been a shift in the winds lately. People seem to prefer to switch to the side that wins resets more often than fly outnumbered in better planes.

Maybe the timer needs to be associated with frequency. That is, you can change once every 12 hours the first time. Then your timer is bumped to 24 hours. If you change again a day later it goes to 2 days. Then 4 days, etc. For every day you don't change sides it decrements by one. Or something like that.

That would allow the people who want to balance sides to do so when needed, but prevent the fair weather flyers from tilting the odds so out of proportion.

Schatzi · « **Reply #37 on:** March 20, 2006, 12:21:12 PM »

Well, Gonzo, that has just a small problem: I wanted to switch back last night, to even the odds and couldnt because of the timer.... i was basically "forced" to horde.

Silat: Guess who made me do that.......

Pieper · « **Reply #38 on:** March 20, 2006, 12:43:56 PM »

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It was not designed to stop those numbers. It was designed to minimize the side imbalnces.

The side imballances are the numbers I'm referring to. They have been awful here lately and eny dosent get people to leave. They have done exactly as others have saidand learned to fly higher valued planes just so long as they can be in a horde of vulchers.

Trust me, a horde IS a horde, no matter what planes they are in.

I dont mind flyin the 110 and 47-D40....planes like that but its getting to be every night.

Mabye it will balance out again but in my opinion right now it is out of hand.

Pieper

Why, when I am fighting the war should I have to leave my country to get gangbanged by the people who came to my country because they were loosing to us?

icemaw · « **Reply #39 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:03:24 PM »

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!

Simaril · « **Reply #40 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:05:00 PM »

Note what HTC said: since the ENY came in, the oscillations in numbers happen faster, meaning that the overall imbalance remains for a shorter period before evening itself out. That matches what I've seen before and after the ENY came in.

Even since the ENY, the high side has swung from one chess piece to another. The rooks were high when ENY came, and the hordes were the worst I've seen Sunday after Sunday. (Newer folks may not realize that sunday evenings EST have been chock-full-o'rooks for literally years, probably due to squad nites and average age factors. Don't use Sunday pm's to make overall generalizations!) The Nits and the Bish have ahd their days in the numerical sun, and now its the rooks again, at least on Sunday Pms. However, those proportions are not fixed: at some hours even now, I've seen Bish grossly outnumbering all comers.

Hang in, and the Sine wave will return to baseline!

BTW, I think the big numbers happen less because of perk-chasing side jumpers and more because the disadvantaged log off in frustration....so before proposing a fix, make sure you've correctly identified the problem!!

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #41 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:33:41 PM »

I'm used to seeing cyclic hordes - squad nites, etc. - but until recently the numbers elsewhere remained predictable and more or less consistent during those spikes.

Bruv119 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:58:16 PM »

My squad left rookland at the start of the month because it turned into a big horde.

last saturday rooks had +40 players on nits all day and bish about +30

nits been getting ganged by both hordes recently ENY has to encourage people to even teams....

I'm sure all sides have their peaks but if it takes numbers to win a war i guess the game has achieved ultimate realism.

Bring on the perks !

cav58d · « **Reply #43 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:18:10 PM »

First of all in responce to OOZ's claim that he has never seen the ENY higher than 7...Well you have obviously never flown rooks...We are consistently upper 20's sometimes high 30's when we are winning wars! It is ridiculous...Here is what I propose....Every morning when the scores are updated, you can only obtain "win the war points" when on the country you were loyal to at the time of score update...OR make it so a player has to be with a country for a mininum of six hours before eligible to be awarded points for the war being won...I think this will show a major cut back in side switching for points, and help keep our ENY down....

Okay one more gripe that pisses me off even more...It's bas enough we have these salamanders switching sides to get points because they cant score points themselves, and they fight alongside of us and bring up our ENY...But its even worse when you have some dweeb that switches sides late in the AM and just leaves his game logged in as he is gone and wait's for the reset and his points as he sleeps! Last night around 2am Eastern the rooks had the same 40 odd people sitting in the tower away from their game hoping to get points...I propose a server limit time? If someone is sitting in tower in active for more than 45 minutes than the host should drop their connection and log them out....There is no valid arguement in favor of allowing players to sit idle in the tower for 45 minutes...No reason you should stay logged in, whether its because you are waiting for points, or you left your game logged in to go get lunch...tough...Log back in after lunch it takes 30 seconds....

opinions?

dedalos · « **Reply #44 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:24:06 PM »

I think that before you guys start getting really pissed about ENY and the other players, you should learn how ENY works. Jast saing.

Oh, hey, did you ever think that the only reason you are winning is because you have the numbers? Prolly not eh? You think it is because Rook/Bish/Nits are just better