Let's define a couple of terms for the convenience of discussion:
- Furballers = guys who fly in fighters. They primarily enjoy shooting at other fighters, but also like to occasionally shoot at bombers, gv's and boats. They don't really care too much about taking bases though many of them feel that's okay. They don't like getting shot down. Either by gv's or bombers. They seem to feel the only one that should have a good chance of shooting them down is another fighter. They don't like being inconvenienced by things like having their fuel reduced to 25%, the maps fields separated a decent distance, their HQ taken down (even partially) by a single bomber or even 4 formations of bombers, their fighter hangers taken down, their furball busted up by bombers operating as "flying flack platforms", heavy bombers which "fly too high and too fast" (their complaint, believe me), new bombers introduced (such as the B-29), etc, etc. As a result they advocate (otherwise defined as a whine) and applaud changes to gv's and bombers which reduce the effectiveness of same. Changes such as the remodeling of bomber gun convergence from AH1 to AH2, the remodeling of the way bombs drop from AH1 to AH2 and of course there's the way Ostwind and Bomber guns shake now.
- Win the War Folks (WWF's) = People that can be found in gv's, bombers, boats and even fighters. These people like the multi dimensional aspects of strategy. They like taking fields, winning the war and feeling like there's a chance for strategy and skill to win out over a larger number of players. They would like to see things like the strategy system rebuilt to something like it's former interest level. That would mean an HQ that can be taken down, fields back to the spacing they had in AH1 (spaced wider apart than they are now), the ability to reduce a fields fuel supply to 25%, a hardening of strat targets (ordnance, fuel and troops) to the point it requires ordnance (rockets, bombs or ground level size cannon) to destroy them, perhaps the addition of a real ammo bunker (one that is tied to the amount of ammunition a vehicle can up with), a return to an Ostwind model that doesn't make people sick, a return to effective guns on bombers, etc., etc.
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
On the contrary, furballers and win the war folks rarely cross paths in the game already, but they do intermingle socially. What you are proposing would fracture the Aces High community by forcing friends and squadmates to fly in different arenas. The way to eliminate most of the whines is to simply stop whining. A good way to start would be to stop posting threads like this one.
Rarely cross paths? How is that possible? We're in the same arena. We fight each other (in friendly fashion and otherwise) all the time. What you call social intermingling is perhaps what got the "all" channel reduced to a salute only channel and now has channel 200 heavily moderated. The only intermingling I see in game is between like minded individuals with similar interests. My proposal wouldn't change that. I see a heck of a lot more intermingling on these threads than I do in game and that wouldn't be changed. My proposal would force nobody to separate. Not friends and especially not squad mates. How many of the Blue Knights would want to go to the WWF arena? If any separation occurred, it would be due to a persons own choice as to how they want to play.
Eliminate whines……that's interesting. You mean like the whines of fighters claiming bomber guns or Ostwind guns are too good and should have something done to them to decrease their effectiveness? You mean like the whines of fighter pilots who don't want to be bothered learning how to shoot bombers down and complain until the guns of the bombers are made less effective and then continue to complain about them because they're still getting shot down? You mean the whines from fighter pilots who say bombers shouldn't be in formation, shouldn't have as much effect on the game as they did, shouldn't have even as much effect on the game as they do now, should have their fuel multiplier increased to force them to fly lower and slower, etc? You mean whines like that? Some of which HTC has acted upon and looks like they'll continue to act upon, eventually incorporating a good portion of all the whines fighters post.
The fact of the matter is HTC (HT, Pyro, Skuzzy, etc.) reads this bulletin board. They look at and consider the ideas and desires of their customers. More of their customers are furballers than WWF's. HTC rightfully desires to retain as many customers as they can. Evidently they feel the way to do this is to fulfill the desires of most of their customers. This is their right. It's their business and they can run it any way they wish. Unfortunately this means a loss of diversity. Loss of diversity most commonly results in eventual loss of customers. My proposal would retain diversity, cost them little and in fact save them money by retaining customers and maybe even drawing more. Right now there are a lot of WWF's losing interest in a game that seems to be emphasizing fighters more and more at the expense of everything else. If those customers are lost, that would definitely fracture the AH community. Doubt this? Take a look at the thread "Headshake", . Read what Moil says. Tell me that doesn't sound like the Ltar's are dissatisfied customers and then tell me what really dissatisfied customers do with their business.
If you feel that having two arena's (one for Furballers and one for WWF's) is going to fracture the AH community, then you should be worried about the eventual release of ToD. That's going to be a separate arena. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you're not worried about ToD, so why would you be worried about my proposal?
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
You can do that right now in one single arena without splitting up the community. I fail to see how your proposal actually improves anything.
While there are two styles of play in one arena, current set up favors one over the other and it looks like it's going to keep favoring it. Two MA style arenas would allow for different setups so that both WWF's and Furballers could have what they want.
