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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2006, 07:42:26 PM »
*thunk*thunk*thunk*

McFly? Anybody home, McFly?

.. he's pointing out the bureaucratic catch-22 proccedures and hoop hopping laid in the path of any illegal (or soon to be) visa holder in this country that decides he wan't to stay to getting legal documentation and from there, citizenship.

Frenchy has made it clear up thread that he's LEGAL, and he had to do it via marrige.. to a crack head that put him thru 2 years of living hell... which he would have gladly forgone had there been ANY OTHER WAY.
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« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2006, 07:50:53 PM »
Hangtime....You have a PM......

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« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2006, 07:54:20 PM »
that's nice....


Thanks sweetie; but I'm washing my hair tonight.
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« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2006, 07:55:40 PM »
"Off course I want to be legal dumbkuff. "  <----started my confusion or perhaps not with trying to help

I may have taken this the wrong way Frenchy, Personally I could not tell if you were or were not a citizen and I asked for clarification earlier and got no response So I did my best to help.

See above Hangtime,  in my post....as I so clearly asked...:rolleyes:




And as far as a catch 22......look no one stated that it would be easy to become a US citzen....and no one stated that it was guaranteed but you have to start somewhere right?????

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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2006, 08:01:14 PM »
If there's going to be useful immigration reform, then the process of applying for citizenship.. particularly the de-humanizing and assinine process thats in place now, needs to be reformed as well. I know several euro's here on work visa's that want to stay and can't.. They must return home and apply for an immigration visa (big bucks, many years) or marry an American. No other options.
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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2006, 08:13:54 PM »
Hey Thx Guttboy, appreciated the help, but I'm already legal. Like Hangtime figured it out, there's a lot obstacles.

Let's say u want to live/work in USA. You have to find a company that will sponsor you. You cannot selfpetition yourself. You cannot come to USA as a tourist to look  for work either, it's illegal.
So what's left, is to send resumes via mail to companies, which of course, will never asnwer you back except if you are a nuclear scientist who happened to discover the time machine.

The problem that I encountered was that in aviation, it is almost impossible to have a company to sponsor you. Because when you try to get a work visa, it needs to be "Special skill". Even with the flying airshow team  those guys wanted to sponsor me, as they wanted me because I was flying better than any US pilot they trained. You think that would qualify as a special skill. yet, when meeting with an Immigration employee, she said "will not go thru".

Before Sept 11, u had no excuses to be illegal, because if you had a job, you could get sponsored for a visa. But not anymore.

Plus Immigration processing is a nightmare. You cannot get an appointment "just to ask". Your paper work processing takes years (1.5 year to even ear from INS), and you get bounced back an another year for "not following the correct format to display an address. ... and off course, as Nomde had the chance to experience with me, you are treated like a cow at the meat market.

I had to prostitute myself for 2 years, living ina dump working overtime on foodstamps, to afford a $4000 layer, $2000 INS fee, $1000 psy fee, $$$ crackheadwifebloodsucker to get straight.

Not over way to get legal sounds unreal.
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« Last Edit: March 27, 2006, 08:16:03 PM by SFRT - Frenchy »
Dat jugs bro.

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« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2006, 08:20:14 PM »
Mexico and Illegals > Americas eternal Cockroachs ! :mad:
Originally posted by Panman
God the BK's are some some ugly mo-fo's. Please no more pictures, I'm going blind Bet your mothers don't even love ya cause u'all sooooooooo F******* ulgy.

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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2006, 08:20:27 PM »
The reason its so difficult to come to the US legally?  Because we can't handle the ones that are here illegally.  Take care of them, and I'll have no problem getting productive, educated, and/or skilled people here legally.  We need immigration, but not to create a new underclass.  We've already got one of those.  

The people to be mad at are the illegals... they're the ones ruining the legal immigration pathways for the rest of the world.  Our legal immigration policies should be reformed, but it can't happen until we get our illegal pathways under control.

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« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2006, 08:28:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Tarmac
The reason its so difficult to come to the US legally?  Because we can't handle the ones that are here illegally.  Take care of them, and I'll have no problem getting productive, educated, and/or skilled people here legally.  We need immigration, but not to create a new underclass.  We've already got one of those.  

The people to be mad at are the illegals... they're the ones ruining the legal immigration pathways for the rest of the world.  Our legal immigration policies should be reformed, but it can't happen until we get our illegal pathways under control.


 Those and the Bastage U.S. President Bush and his suck butt  Senators , on both sides of the isle, supporting them !
 Guess who pays has to continue paying more and more taxes to support
the cockroaches ? ........
Originally posted by Panman
God the BK's are some some ugly mo-fo's. Please no more pictures, I'm going blind Bet your mothers don't even love ya cause u'all sooooooooo F******* ulgy.

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« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2006, 08:29:18 PM »
I think Hang's got it right.

Frenchy - you reflect a couple of the most important things;  On the upside, you are a skilled, productive member of society.  I'm glad you want to be part of mine.  It's worth being proud of.  I'm sorry you had a hard time of it.

On the other hand, you can't just rationalize breaking the law.  It's just too weak an arguement.  Neither can some millions of others, wherever they come from.  It's not about bashing Mexicans, or Indians, or anybody else.  The system cannot support more than contribute to it.  

It also ain't right.

Then again, another big part of the issue is that a constructive kind of reform is most assuredly in order.  The system is a total train-wreck, with all kinds of bureaucratic nightmares, and needs a big fix.  That's to include making the process simpler for those who can meet requirements.  But there has to be a limit, to maintain balance and security.  It's not unjust to want to know who's here, what they're all about, where they are, and have them pay their way...like every other legal citizen does.

I may not be willing to back any amnesty or softening of the laws, but I'll damned sure back a positive, systemic change that addresses the obstructions and oversights.  The worst problem should only be a waiting list.  Our doors should always be open to a positive flow of good people.

Tragically, we wait upon our fearless leaders to send money (lots of it) towards an unglamorous agenda.  I guess we get what we vote for.

(Checkers, dude...reconsider)

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« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2006, 08:32:46 PM »
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I think Hang's got it right.

Frenchy - you reflect a couple of the most important things;  On the upside, you are a skilled, productive member of society.  I'm glad you want to be part of mine.  It's worth being proud of.  I'm sorry you had a hard time of it.

On the other hand, you can't just rationalize breaking the law.  It's just too weak an arguement.  Neither can some millions of others, wherever they come from.  It's not about bashing Mexicans, or Indians, or anybody else.  The system cannot support more than contribute to it.  

It also ain't right.

Then again, another big part of the issue is that a constructive kind of reform is most assuredly in order.  The system is a total train-wreck, with all kinds of bureaucratic nightmares, and needs a big fix.  That's to include making the process simpler for those who can meet requirements.  But there has to be a limit, to maintain balance and security.  It's not unjust to want to know who's here, what they're all about, where they are, and have them pay their way...like every other legal citizen does.

I may not be willing to back any amnesty or softening of the laws, but I'll damned sure back a positive, systemic change that addresses the obstructions and oversights.  The worst problem should only be a waiting list.  Our doors should always be open to a positive flow of good people.

Tragically, we wait upon our fearless leaders to send money (lots of it) towards an unglamorous agenda.  I guess we get what we vote for.

(Checkers, dude...reconsider)

 Reconsider ? Okeh , How about this ,
 Just enforce the GXX DaXm Laws for a reconsideration !
 That would be something orignal ...on our borders wouldn't !
Originally posted by Panman
God the BK's are some some ugly mo-fo's. Please no more pictures, I'm going blind Bet your mothers don't even love ya cause u'all sooooooooo F******* ulgy.

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« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2006, 08:37:23 PM »
it's not only damn nigh impossible once yer here to get papered... attempting the 'legal system' of the country your trying to leave is often even more corrupt, inept, impossible and dehumanizing than ours.
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« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2006, 08:39:08 PM »
I was only referring to your particular choice of words.

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« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2006, 08:40:24 PM »
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
Reconsider ? Okeh , How about this ,
 Just enforce the GXX DaXm Laws for a reconsideration !
 That would be something orignal ...on our borders wouldn't !


 Here is a little somting else , I would love to see as a requirement of all Americans , That they serve in the armed services for 2 years ....
 I wonder how many of those Mexican Flag waving high school kids would be ditching school today in protest of the Illegal's rights in this country ,
knowing that they would have to defend The USA at age 18 ? ...

  Viva LaRazza ..... :rofl
Originally posted by Panman
God the BK's are some some ugly mo-fo's. Please no more pictures, I'm going blind Bet your mothers don't even love ya cause u'all sooooooooo F******* ulgy.

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« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2006, 09:45:46 PM »
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What I dont get. is when these protests are going on. Why The Immigration Dept doesnt show up with a bunch of busses and cart them all away en masse.

course if it were up to me. I'd let am protest in some isolated square and solve it with the dropping of a single Daisy cutter

Then hire the legal ones to clean up the mess.


I can tell you this, it is literally AGAINST "policy" for 100% of ALL Law Enforcement in Ca to make or "aid" in the arrest of anyone based on unlawful immigration status. If the INS was doing a raid, we were not even supposed to be close enough to watch, we were not to give the impression we were involved in immigration matters what-so-ever.

The now infamous LAPD CRASH units were at one point surreptitiously working in conjunction with the INS and they were deporting all kinds of criminal aliens... actually making a difference getting rid of some of these pukes. But when that whole mess blew up, the local vocals screamed and yelled about how LAPD was enforcing immigration laws against its own policy.

6 years trolling in East LA I have had people flat out admit they were here illegally, standing there in uniform with the power to enforce the "laws" at my disposal, well... except "those" laws, enforce those laws and get fired.

Anyone who thinks they all come here to work hard and all that, I invite you to the 605 freeway at the Arrow Highway underpass (inside the Big Dalton Wash). Under the freeway they live in caves, dozens of them, these guys are parasites, former death squad members fleeing some banana republic, escaped from some Mexican jail cell... we would only go down there during the day, armed with MP5s and in platoon formation. These guys do one thing, rip off those illegals that do work, or where ever opportunity knocked. Rapes of young girls was the most common, invasion robberies a close second.

Yet they could scream "Yo soy illegal" and laugh in our faces knowing there was little, legally anyway, we could do about it. We were NOT allowed to call the INS either.

There were ways around it though...

The only exception is at the LA Sheriffs Main County Jail where a small INS unit regularly dumps them off over the border near Texas, the trick was getting em there... but once I did all it took was a phone call to the proper agent and voila.. no more alien. Of course even my making those calls could have got my in trouble, bigtime, so I usually called in and ID'd myself as "Detective Smith" or "Officer Gates"

So.. you will never see a large local police force ever enforcing Federal immigration laws with busses, ever.

However, should that ever change, I'd volenteer my time to drive one of those busses... lob tear gas, man the fire hose or whatever.

Spew all warm & cuddely politically correct chatter you want,  then look around most of Los Angeles.... its stating to look & smell like a 3rd world filth hole. Nobody lest these people waiting to work use the restroom, so your yard or 7-11 alley becomes a giant toilet, which apparently so reminds some of them of "home", they just basically live there in the filth until the city finally comes along and moves them 2 blocks this or that way.

LAPD is way too inept & nuetered to do anything about it, they'd rather spend my tax $$ on Andy Gump poop-boxes and $40 hotel vouchers..  you can bet that if I was hanging my hog leaking all over the alley, my fishbelly whiteass would get cited, probably arrested.. but if the illegals do it, LAPD gets out, holds & helps shake the dew off the lilly apologizing for having cold hands.