Loose Cannons - and the future of Aces High

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Not at all, what we do is specifically targetted and designed to modify behavior for the improvement of gameplay for everyone (except the offending griefers of griefers of course). What you and your ilk do is ruin the gameplay for everyone indiscriminantly, even and epsecially your own teammates. Quite different and distinct...

Yeah, I just run around in bombers all day, don't I. Liar. You did say "you and your ilk", so you did refer to me specifically this time. Liar.

The different tactics ruin gameplay for you and those who agree with you. You say there's a "horde" doing this. So ... geee ... maybe you are in the minority here. Ever think of that, skippy?

You make me purely sick with this moralistic crap. You are one step away from promoting ethnic cleansing. Take your pogrom someplace else.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Oldman731
Heh.  You're sneaking.  Your example is only a different version of a toolshedder, using a different plane.  A better example would be, "Why would a fighter pilot want to spend 15 minutes getting to a reasonable altitude heading to an enemy base, not help any friendlies in distress on the way, avoid any enemy contact on the way, for the chance to have a 1 v 1 in which he dies after approximately three seconds of combat?"
 

No I'm not trying to be sneaky ... there is a general problem with gameplay in the MA and there has been for a while. Everyone is so fixated on their pet peeve that absolutely no one is looking at what to do to fix it ... except for Josef Zazen over there, of course, who has the Final Solution.

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
1st.  I have been a Rook since I joined this game.  I do NOT recall you flying in Rookland for more than a month or two.  

2nd.  When I return from my PC Rebuild Break, I will HAVE NO QUALMS about INFORMING Bish and Knight friends where your attacks are coming from, IF you are deliberately killing furballs.

3rd.  Your "opinion of how I interpret" the "rapidity or boredom of furball" is none of your damn business.   You know damn well what you are doing, and are trying to be cute in your sarcastic replies.

4th.  Your pussifed "tactics" are forcing Friends I have had since I came into this game, to LEAVE ROOKLAND.  Not a "monthly rotation", but flat-out leaving.   Hooch, Killn, Corky, Jamusta, and the rest of the 475th, you'll be missed.  I had so much fun winging with you guys for the past 8-10 months.

5th.  Zazen, we've had a fun ride in the MA these last 4 years and I am sorry to see you left, personally, I don't blame you.  

The whole thing makes me sick.

Karaya hurry back we need that info.  We already have a few people on rooks who have told us where they are and a circular chain on knights that let each other know.  We get their target and up in mass horde and then they leave like they do as they get to much resistance and cant keep down half their number.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Hoarach
Karaya hurry back we need that info.  We already have a few people on rooks who have told us where they are and a circular chain on knights that let each other know.  We get their target and up in mass horde and then they leave like they do as they get to much resistance and cant keep down half their number.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
1st.  I have been a Rook since I joined this game.  I do NOT recall you flying in Rookland for more than a month or two.  

2nd.  When I return from my PC Rebuild Break, I will HAVE NO QUALMS about INFORMING Bish and Knight friends where your attacks are coming from, IF you are deliberately killing furballs.

3rd.  Your "opinion of how I interpret" the "rapidity or boredom of furball" is none of your damn business.   You know damn well what you are doing, and are trying to be cute in your sarcastic replies.

4th.  Your pussifed "tactics" are forcing Friends I have had since I came into this game, to LEAVE ROOKLAND.  Not a "monthly rotation", but flat-out leaving.   Hooch, Killn, Corky, Jamusta, and the rest of the 475th, you'll be missed.  I had so much fun winging with you guys for the past 8-10 months.

5th.  Zazen, we've had a fun ride in the MA these last 4 years and I am sorry to see you left, personally, I don't blame you.  

The whole thing makes me sick.

I come and go in the game as my schedule and interest level allow. I haven't seen you online lately either. And in the earlier days I used different handles because I prefered to fly incognito - especially when I was involved in running a scenario.

I started replying to the rest of your stuff but it doesn't make sense to proceed. I've never had a problem with you before and see no sense creating one now.

I can assure you I feel sicker about this than you do. I never ever would have thought this community would come to the point of tolerating, let alone supporting, an agenda to actively and vigorously drive any group of players from its ranks.

And even when I wasn't flying I loved the BBS, I always enjoy discussing the game and the era. And that's been thrown in the dumpster too now because some people can't contain their need to spread their "message" into every thread on this thing.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I come and go in the game as my schedule and interest level allow. I haven't seen you online lately either. And in the earlier days I used different handles because I prefered to fly incognito - especially when I was involved in running a scenario.

I started replying to the rest of your stuff but it doesn't make sense to proceed. I've never had a problem with you before and see no sense creating one now.

I can assure you I feel sicker about this than you do. I never ever would have thought this community would come to the point of tolerating, let alone supporting, an agenda to actively and vigorously drive any group of players from its ranks.

And even when I wasn't flying I loved the BBS, I always enjoy discussing the game and the era. And that's been thrown in the dumpster too now because some people can't contain their need to spread their "message" into every thread on this thing.

I see, so my question is this:  Why not change your stance?  It begins with all us, yourself included.

[Hoarach]

What Karaya said.  You see how many of us just not dislike but hate your style of gameplay.  If you want it to stop its simple just change the style.  Thats why so many people and squads left rooks because they are fed up.  Rooks used to be a furballing country and where many furballers went.  Now with the birth of LCA rooks have changed to horde and base taking which is why many went knights.  Knights seem to have the attitude that many furballers want.  Fights are plentiful, perk planes very cheap, and very rarely are FHs porked.

All those that left hate the porking fields and leaving them, furballs being hunted and killed, and all the hording and base taking.  If you want some of us to stop hunting you change your style of gameplay.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I never ever would have thought this community would come to the point of tolerating, let alone supporting, an agenda to actively and vigorously drive any group of players from its ranks.

This is a very good point.

In fact, it is a very very good point.

Possibly part of the problem originated with the proclamation that the LCA was the new wave of AH (or whatever the phrase was).  But you're right.  It is unfair, and unwise, to try to expel any group of players.

- oldman (except possibly vulchers)

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I see, so my question is this:  Why not change your stance?  It begins with all us, yourself included.

Dude, my stance is pretty easy ... I stated it several times ... I believe in choice and I despise pork-based tactics. I believe the more things there are to do the better. And I believe that the environment should promote the improvement of skill - which porking, HO'ing, etc etc etc do not qualify as.

Tell me what's so wrong with that? If you backtracked through the last twenty years of my drivel you'd see I've been remarkably consistent on this viewpoint.

What got me deep into this melee was people condemning one brand of porking yet condoning another. People calling a style of mission "unacceptable" yet openly encouraging cheating through the use of spies. And people with a very narrow view of the game acting like they not only speak for everyone, but know what's best for everyone.

Hell, I hardly ever fly a bomber and am amazed I'm in the position of defending BUFF drivers. I hate Hordes and somehow have been accused of instigating them. WTFO?

[killnu]

who is trying to expel them?

they have said in game and on these boards, they like and hope for, a group to up and defend agains them.  

they got what they asked for.  so what?

was i expelled from the country ive flown for for awhile now because my style of gameplay was hindered by certain actions of a few?  should i cry about that?  i didnt, just went elsewhere and occasionally give them what they asked for.

get over it already.  

expel them from game   that is to dang much.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Hoarach
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All those that left hate the porking fields and leaving them, furballs being hunted and killed, and all the hording and base taking.  If you want some of us to stop hunting you change your style of gameplay.

And all I can tell you is that the LCA missions I've seen were nothing close to hordes and no FH were dropped unless it was part of a base capture attempt.

But ... again ... there's a double standard ... you hate having your FH blown up, but what about the Tiffy pork dweebs who kill troops/ord at 2 or 3 bases per flight, ruining the game for the guys who enjoy the war? The Furball side of the coin doesn't seem to acknowledge that as part of the same problem.

[killnu]

Dok, sorry, but the last few nights, all the LCA missions ive seen, all hangars were taken down...in some case, multiple times before they got base.  i give them credit though, they finally got base.

take that back, seen one sneak that they left FHs up.

[killnu]

you think the furball type are porking the troops?  think ive hit barracks once on accident.  field porkers are the war winning type too, tryin to prevent thier bases from being taken.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Grimm
The LCA sounds like constant Hording to me.  

 

It doesn't just sound like it, that's exactly all it is...Toolshedding horde monkeys...


Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
2nd.  When I return from my PC Rebuild Break, I will HAVE NO QUALMS about INFORMING Bish and Knight friends where your attacks are coming from, IF you are deliberately killing furballs.

 

Be sure to keep me informed, I'll make sure they're are dealt with as they deserve to be...

Zazen