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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2006, 09:22:22 PM »
Chairboy, I dunno why inter-racial marriages were illegal. Personally I see nothing wrong with them (even though my dad just about has a coronary every time he see's a white man with a black woman or a black man with a white woman, but he's just wierd:D ).

I view marriage as a union between a man and a woman, race is a non-factor for me. Inter-racial marriages were still between a Man and a Woman. Homosexual marriages are between 2 men or 2 women.

Websters dictionary gives a definition of marriage as....see marry heh, the definition of marry (according to websters) is: to unite, take, or give in wedlock; to enter into matrimony. marriage the legal union of husband and wife; the ceremony, civil or religious, by which two people of the opposite sex become husband and wife.

Leviticus 18:22, You shall not lie with mankind as with womankind. It is abomination to God. (Modern King James Version) I have 8 different translations of the Bible on my hard drive atm, most use the term abomination,  one uses perversion, and another uses the term confusion.

Chairboy, its the man/man or woman/woman union that makes all the difference to me. Those two unions are not included in the definition of marriage according to America's most famous dictionary.

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« Reply #121 on: April 10, 2006, 09:44:49 PM »
i dont think religion really has anything to do with that, in my point of view.

the last time religion dictated what to do, people were burned at the stake.

and the dictionary may be famous but times change....

just some guys opinion *shrugs*

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« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2006, 10:21:41 PM »
Soo.. whos gay here?

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« Reply #123 on: April 11, 2006, 12:14:45 AM »
I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
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« Reply #124 on: April 11, 2006, 12:58:18 AM »
i guess nobody cares about "the hermaphrodite paradox"

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« Reply #125 on: April 11, 2006, 02:14:53 AM »
Jackal and laz

Say that you guys some day have a daughter... say that she is gay... hand on your heart can you honestly say that you would force her to marry a man? Would you force her to a life where she has to put aside who she really is for her entire adult life?

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« Reply #126 on: April 11, 2006, 02:49:52 AM »
1. Catholic religion forbids re-marriage to divorced men and women.
2. But divorced people can contract a civil (term ?) marriage....

Soooooo......

1'. Catholic religion forbids same sex marriage.
2'. do I need to develop any further for the really slow ones?


Like someone very rightly said in response to Lazs, the only thing that dilutes opposite sex marriage is divorce, not civil same-sex marriage.

Keep religion out of the equation and it becomes really simple....like most things in life.
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« Reply #127 on: April 11, 2006, 02:57:37 AM »
As I said in my first post in this thread...

In this case the government of the US is making a law based on religion... its mixing state and church... I thought that was against one of the founding principals of the USA...

It should be up to any church to decide if they want to wed a couple... thats not the buisness of the state...

though the state should decide if gay couples should have equal rights to civil marrige.. meaning should gay couples have the same rights as straight couples...

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« Reply #128 on: April 11, 2006, 08:40:23 AM »
tex... I would not and could not force my daughter to do anything.   You are asking me if I think that marriage should be a contract between two hetrerosexuals or.... a man and a woman..

I say yes.    I say that it violates no human rights and that everyone is allowed to marry a person of the opposiste sex who is of age and not an imidiate relative.

you seem to have problems with only one of the requirements (for now).

Tough...  you can't allways have things equal...  If gays want to marry then they need to get their own version of it and fight for rights associated with that .

To marginalize marriage between heterosexuals is not the solution.

and curval... your response is typical of the modern girly man trust fund limmosine liberal.

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« Reply #129 on: April 11, 2006, 08:48:23 AM »
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Jackal and laz

Say that you guys some day have a daughter


Raised four daughters allready. Not planning on starting a new family.



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say that she is gay


Never had to worry about that. My daughters pretty well thought for themselves  and had enough common sense to stay away from perverts  and wackos.

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hand on your heart can you honestly say that you would force her to marry a man?


See above. :) Why would you have to force a female to marry a man? Ridiculous. If she was going to get "married", that`s what she would be doing automaticaly. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

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Would you force her to a life where she has to put aside who she really is for her entire adult life?


No. I would never force anyone to choose gay over reality. :)
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« Reply #130 on: April 11, 2006, 08:57:13 AM »
so long as any sexual deviation can be legeslated against the gays don't have a leg to stand on so far as "their civil rights"

You have no civil right to be a sexual deviate.   You have a right to do anything with another consenting adult tho so long as no one is injured.  That does not mean that the rest of us have to recognize it as being normal behavior.

There is no normal heterosexual who is not disgusted by watching the acts of homosexuals of the same sex as they themselves are...

sure... we can watch (as men) lesbians...  no problem and some women can watch men hommos.

Not the same thing.   We are a emathetic race we humans.   as such... we are disgusted thinking ourselves into those situations.

Why would we want to make it equal to a married couple?   Why would a gay couple have any more "human right" to marry than say a sterile brother and sister?

Why be so mean to the brother and sister?  are they not human just like everyone else with the same rights?

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« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2006, 08:57:42 AM »
Lazs, how many times have you divorced? Don't you think that you've enough contributed to marginalize marriage?

BTW, Calling Curv a girly man is so kindergarten. All of you people afraid of gays while pretending to be machosexuals don't seem to have much confidence in your own sexuality.

Instead of forbidding gays to marry, it would be better for mankind to prevent idiots to reproduce...
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« Reply #132 on: April 11, 2006, 09:04:09 AM »
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...That does not mean that the rest of us have to recognize it as being normal behavior....


I though that nowadays, marriage was a bond between two persons willing to live their life together, not some kind of 'hey-look-who-I-am-with' announcement.
During the wedding, the couple says yes to each other but the audience is not asked to vote its (dis)agreement AFAIK.

You know Lazs, if civil gay marriage become a reality, you won't be forced to go to gay weddings, wipe a tear, get drunk and dance on country music all night long... So where's YOUR problem?
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« Reply #133 on: April 11, 2006, 09:05:04 AM »
fair enough... divorce does marginalize marriage but.... how do you know who will be divorced in advance?

and... my comment to curval was in response to his one to me.  Did you read that one?

Again... I have no problem with gays doing whatever they want so long as I don't have to see it and they are consenting adults and no one gets injured too bad.

Gays have the same rights to marriage or any other contract as any other person in the U.S.  

Why should they get special rights?   why should brothers and sisters not be allowed to marry?   why are you not up in arms about that?

is it because you don't care about them because they are minorities or because you are unsure of your own incestuous feelings?

see.... it is ridiculous.   I have no animosity toward gays.... I have a brother and a female cousin who are both gay.    I don't want to go to their weddings....  I think it would be a travesty and an insult to marriage.

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« Reply #134 on: April 11, 2006, 09:07:59 AM »
okay, Curv is as kindergarten as you. Both of you will stand in opposite corners during next recess.
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