Author Topic: Global Warming...not! (Read 2504 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #90 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:11:13 PM »

How do we even know how much there is tho? How do we know that making it last longer is a good thing? are we not a complacent people? if we think that it will last longer wont that just make us work that much less on finding a substitute?

Seems that the sooner we get on with bringing things to a crisis point the sooner we get something done alternative fuel wise.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #91 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:14:59 PM »

so holden.... you are saying that angus and his countrymen are causeing as much or more of the problem per capita as anyone? and that the alternative is for them to go back to an even dirtier source of fuel?

If they didn't use the geothermal wouldn't it just build up and vent naturally tho?

Maybe they can build plants that would clean it.... say at a couple hundred k a person price tag per year... sure... it's a lot of money but.... it's got to be worth it right?

lazs

Jackal1 · « **Reply #92 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:23:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Iceland uses geothermal to a great extent.

Reykjavik used to have some of the dirtiest air around, then the government decided that they would develop the geothermal resource and stop importing coal. Reykjavik has a municipal steam (or hot water) heating district. You just hook up to the hot stuff under the sidewalk and heat your house.

Now Reykjavik's air may be the cleanest of any national capitol.

The flip side of geothermal however is that sulfur dioxide, CO2, and many other volcanic related gasses are purged to the atmosphere. Geothermal can let out as much or more CO2 as a fossil plant of the same output.

Thanks. I don`t think Angus likes to answer when I ask a question.

That`s some pretty interesting stuff. I was just reading some about it.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #93 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:32:52 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
so holden.... you are saying that angus and his countrymen are causeing as much or more of the problem per capita as anyone? and that the alternative is for them to go back to an even dirtier source of fuel?

If they didn't use the geothermal wouldn't it just build up and vent naturally tho?

Maybe they can build plants that would clean it.... say at a couple hundred k a person price tag per year... sure... it's a lot of money but.... it's got to be worth it right?

lazs

I have two buddies who worked in the Geothermal industry. One worked for Calpine at Geysers north of the Bay Area and one worked on the east slope of the Sierras near China Lake NAS.

At both places the equipment was constantly crusting up with crud from the netherworld and the one at China Lake had a big pile of sulfer they "harvested" from the process. Both places offgas hydrogen sulfide, sulfer dioxide, surprisingly huge amounts of CO2: geothermal is far from pristine.

lazs2 · « **Reply #94 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:39:24 PM »

off topic... most wastewater treatment plants use co generation for some of their power needs..... EPA regs and junk science has driven power needs for facilities into the ruinous category...

The co gen is using methane produced in the treatment process to run generators but.... most are shut down now because of CARB (air quality) regs and the stuff is so dirty it is killing the engines.... the hippies are stepping on each others toes here in kalifornia.

everyone and their buerocrtic brother wants a piece of the junk science environmental pie here.

lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #95 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:48:05 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
The co gen is using methane produced in the treatment process to run generators but.... most are shut down now because of CARB (air quality) regs and the stuff is so dirty it is killing the engines....

So... we let the landfills and waste water treatment plants off gas the methane, which is several times greater of a greenhouse gas than is the CO2 which would have been produced had that methane been burned.

Sounds like the same idiocy as California vehicle emissions. Had they originally written that law by limiting the amount of pollutant per mile rather than limiting the concentration of pollutant in the exhaust, the law would have driven both cleanliness and fuel economy.

But instead we get a Califorina emission vehicle burns clean by being less efficient.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #96 on:** April 16, 2006, 06:00:24 PM »

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Originally posted by E25280
Used completely without permission:

Mar's Polar Ice Caps Melting

Also from Science.com:

Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming

I Blame Bush

SuperDud · « **Reply #97 on:** April 16, 2006, 06:19:38 PM »

I know I got my foil hat on:noid

It's natural cycles of the earth. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Do I think humans could be speeding it up, yes. But do I think it's happening because of humans, no. It happens regardless. Really guys, some of you give humans to much credit:lol

lazs2 · « **Reply #98 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:33:17 AM »

holden you are correct... an emmissions per mile was considered originaly but it would have meant that V8's of the 70's and the American car companies would have bellied up... there were no computers or electronic fuel injection for them to run.... The only cars that would meet such standards all came from other countries and were tiny little gutless 4 bangers....

The "solution" was for them to saddle automakers with junk science laws that actually increased pollution till the 80's and computers and fuel injection tech caught up.... they couldn't be seen to "just do nothing" so... for political reasons they made things worse. If they would have just waited it would have all worked out.

and yes... the methane produced at waste facilities is very dirty... it is mostly just burned off in large furnaces... some is converted to heat (50 year old tech) to help the process but for the most part.... it is wasted and/or just pollution.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #99 on:** April 17, 2006, 08:39:35 AM »

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Originally posted by SuperDud
I know I got my foil hat on:noid

It's natural cycles of the earth. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Do I think humans could be speeding it up, yes. But do I think it's happening because of humans, no. It happens regardless. Really guys, some of you give humans to much credit:lol

Son, I'd say you about hit the nail right on the head.
Missed your thumb and everything;)

Ghosth · « **Reply #100 on:** April 17, 2006, 09:23:35 AM »

OMG I have to agree with superdud.

Can it possibly be he's growing up, or something?

I mean like, in the last 2 weeks like, he's matured like or something.

It looks good on you super, keep it up!

Angus · « **Reply #101 on:** April 22, 2006, 04:25:49 AM »

Here is the proof of global warming!!!

Jackal1 · « **Reply #102 on:** April 22, 2006, 04:42:06 AM »

SuperDud · « **Reply #103 on:** April 22, 2006, 06:56:51 AM »

I r TeH Sramt!:D

lazs2 · « **Reply #104 on:** April 22, 2006, 09:55:02 AM »

angus... that is as much proof of man made global warming as anything else I have read.

I can't get over the fact that in a year the earth produces (naturaly) 600 trillion tons or more of co2 and that since the first much headed liberal fell out of a tree at the dawn of time..... man has only produced like 6 million tons of co2...

It just seems really really arrogant to think we are the cause or even have more than a couple of minutes worth of eternity to do with it.

lazs