Author Topic: Why wasn't the UN involved in the decision to attack Afghanistan? (Read 3603 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #75 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:14:00 PM »

And please, next time you want to say something like you posted above personaly to me - you can use your native language, I undesrtand Serbian good enough.

Ping · « **Reply #76 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:14:00 PM »

Gh: Walk away and take a break. Cool down.

Ping

Dowding · « **Reply #77 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:30:00 PM »

The Croats were as bad as the Bosnian Muslims who were as bad as the Bosnian Serbs. All committed atrocities at some time in the war. Elements of their respective armed forces acted like animals; frankly, they do not deserve to be upright and breathing.

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The US Air Force started bombing the serbs and helped our Croatian Military plan operation Oluja which took back the land in Croatia, then moved into Bosnia and helped our allies clear their territory as well in a combined action.

Firstly, I believe British forces were involved in that action.

Secondly, you paint a convenient picture of the Croats and Bosnians in happy alliance in a glorious struggle against the evil Serbs.

From an article discussing the UN backed War Crimes Tribunbal currently putting away a few monsters:

"A Bosnian Croat, Drazen Erdemovic, was sentenced in 1996 to 10 years after admitting being involved in the Srebrenica massacre."

"The court, which cannot impose the death penalty, has no maximum sentence for crimes against humanity. Its harshest sentence yet was given to a Bosnian Croat general, Timohir Blaskic: 45 years for crimes against humanity."

"The court said Dario Kordic, a leader of the nationalist Croatian Democratic Union and of the Croatian Defense Council, helped plan and organize a campaign to drive Muslims from an area the Croats wanted to join to the newly created state of Croatia. Kordic, 40, was sentenced to 25 years imprisonment."

"The tribunal also convicted Mario Cerkez, 41, a Croat military commander, of war crimes in leading attacks against Muslim villages during the Bosnian war in 1993-94. He received a 15-year sentence."

"The worst of the massacres was in Ahmici on April 16, 1993, when Croatian militiamen stormed into Muslim homes. Entire families were gunned down and houses set ablaze. Survivors of the bullets were burned alive.

Before the attack, 356 Muslims and 87 Croats lived in the village. Immediately afterward, no Muslims remained. Croat homes were left untouched."

You repeatedly call my countrymen cowards for carrying out their national duties. Well, that's roadkill. But I 'll let that pass because I can almost taste the irony.

I'd rather have a few 'cowards' in Great Britain, than the 'tigers' your country produced (see above).

I ask you this - which catergory would you prefer to count as countrymen?

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]

batdog · « **Reply #78 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »

Hey Borada..those the same SAMS you sold to Iraq...rotfl. Yea... the fear could be seen in our eyes then... hey how about those tactics you trained them there Iraqies in..oh..mass surrender. Yep..them t72's where fierce... heh. I'm sorry but those SAMS would of been more cannon fodder.

As far as the US and the UN are concerned I think its time for you to STFU moron. Lets see...how many of your troops have died in UN actions? Huh...? Oh yea... not to damn many. We've put troops on the ground for the UN across the world. It was usaly in response to some diddlyed up mess your moronic communist system brought about to begin with or contributed to anyway. We have shed blood time and time again for the UN... you havent done toejam that I can see.

You call him a Nazie... what exaactly are YOU besides some pathatic Stalinist holdover?

xBAT

P.S. Stalin,Lenin and the rest lost... and so did your sorry bellybutton system. McDonalds and Levis brought your bellybutton down... that in itself is pretty pathatic...ROTFL

Boroda · « **Reply #79 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:42:00 PM »

Dowding, your post is a communist provocation! Croats simply can't be military criminals, while every Serb is guilty just because he's Orthodox!

And I saw such a nice Croatian, dr. Kovach (Smith in English), in the E.R. serial!

Boroda · « **Reply #80 on:** October 23, 2001, 12:53:00 PM »

Batdog, many Soviet servicemen died protecting Korean people from UN forces trying to "bomb them down to stone age". But I think that USA troops in Korea indeed had the most severe losses in all UN operations. I am happy such things are over now.

JFYI: almost every week I hear about Russian or Ukrainian soldiers dieing on the UN or Commonwealth peacekeeping duty. Go tell this to Russian paratroopers who were the first in KFOR. Go tell that to my friend who burned in his Mi-24 in Tajikistan on a peacekeeping duty.

As for Soviet SAMs - ask US pilots who bombed Vietnam. My Uncle scored 4 kills as a targeting officer of an S-75 there.

batdog · « **Reply #81 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:09:00 PM »

Well..my sympathies lie to your friend and his family.

The Vietnam era and today are very different for the U.S and our approach to SAMs. The type of SAM you exported at the time of Bosnia and/the Gulf was dangerous to be sure... but proved to be ineffective vrs our equipment of this era. Put simply..we owned them.

Anyway..this topic is basicly dead and beaten. To many emotions are flowing...

xBAT

Krusher · « **Reply #82 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:15:00 PM »

StSanta wrote:
Pissed because you got voted off? Welcome to a democratic organisation. My personal belief is this happened because of the US refusal to pay what it owns the UN in financial terms, but that's just my take on the back stabbing politics that go on behind the scene.
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which came first the chicken or the egg?

You think that the US was voted off because they don't pay their dues LOL ok, whatever you say.

Could it be that the US didn't pay its dues because in your so called "democratic organization" a bunch of 2nd rate powers and 3rd world dictators were wasting money trying to elevate their stature to something that it wasn't?

They did their best to exclude the USA from any position where they might have a say so in it, but they screamed blue bloody murder when we didn't want to pay for it. I for one will miss senator Helms. That old fart knew a scam when he saw it and had no problem saying so.

Now as far as pissing on UN soldiers.. Some very well may not care for them. As an American I feel they are soldiers doing what they are ordered to do. Good or bad its their job and I support them in their effort. But in doing so I don't have to care for the UN. Its tactics to shrink Americas influence to that of a donor state with no real say in UN operations is pathetic and transparent.

Eagler · « **Reply #83 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:15:00 PM »

"How to Win Friends and Influence People"

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Originally posted by Boroda:

As for Soviet SAMs - ask US pilots who bombed Vietnam. My Uncle scored 4 kills as a targeting officer of an S-75 there.

Dowding · « **Reply #84 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:16:00 PM »

Boroda, I don't agree with your opinion on the Balkans. I find it hard to believe you really wish to bring harm to American servicemen over Kosovo.

I also believe you paint the US to be somthing it is not.

Lastly, from my point of view, it seems you echo alot of the communist propaganda from a by-gone time. And it's not because I've been somehow 'conditioned' by an upbringing in a capitalist regime.

While I would hate to draw parallels with someone 'seeing the light', maybe one day you will see the West from a different viewpoint.

Krusher · « **Reply #85 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »

Bluedog wrote:A UN operation led by the Australian Army....led so effectively that the 'boss' Peter Cosgrove, was asked by none other than Colin Powell, to lecture the US forces on how he did it.
--------------------------------------------agreed 100 percent the Aussies did a bang up job <S>.

One point I might make. Wasn't it agreed on at the time that the Aussies were in the best position to take on the duty at hand due to their location and the problem they may or may not had with refugees?

I know no US troops were involved, but I also know we spent a ton of money bailing Indonesia out of their economic problems. That bail out was used as a diplomatic club to beat them over their heads and help bring an end to the conflict.

Krusher · « **Reply #86 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:26:00 PM »

Dowding wrote:
maybe one day you will see the West from a different viewpoint.
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one day they will be a democratic superpower and the west will be their biggest partner.

now stop posting I have work to do !!!

Boroda · « **Reply #87 on:** October 23, 2001, 01:46:00 PM »

Dowding, I don't like any nation bombing innocent people "to stone age". And the whole 1999 war against Yugoslavia was organised by the US, to reach it's own goals that had absolutely nothing common with Balkans. In fact it was a war against YOU and the whole Europe.

Do you really think they were worried by "human rights violations" in Yugoslavia? Mr. Brzhesinsky already said that the whole "human rights" issue was invented in 1970s to increase pressure against USSR, and they didn't give a damn about Soviet jews.

Eagler: Yes, my Uncle was there. Maybe it will make you feel better - he was wounded there and sent back to the Union. Anyway, I think that USSR was absolutely right to help Vietnamese against American bombings. You can boast that your taxes were used to kill Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan in 80s, I don't care: this fact is well-known.

/* Edited my POW on American society - not drunk enough to post such things

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You will be surprised how people who post here remind me of the Soviet times, the worst sides of life in the USSR. Things must have really changed since 1989 when I visited USA. Come on, follow the Party line, it makes you feel safe and proud.

Pongo · « **Reply #88 on:** October 23, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »

Good GH. you are talking about "us" and "them" as it regards the balkans. Some might have mistaken you for a neutral party.
Sorry the UN didnt fight your war against your enemy for you. Thats not what they where there for. As for who is chicken toejam. Your the one that left your countrymen to be gathered up and killed. The UN are the people that tried to affect a change.
Who is the coward.

Eagler · « **Reply #89 on:** October 23, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda:

Eagler: Yes, my Uncle was there. Maybe it will make you feel better - he was wounded there and sent back to the Union. Anyway, I think that USSR was absolutely right to help Vietnamese against American bombings. You can boast that your taxes were used to kill Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan in 80s, I don't care: this fact is well-known.

nope, we have enough new enemies than to rehash the old ones, just thought your statement was in poor taste not knowing if a reader of this board may have had an "uncle" who was shot down over that hell hole...