Smoking: Another debate that's over.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Nilsen
No she didnt.. why?

Why? Given your past as an example I figured it may have been the case.

Why is it a concern? Three words, fetal alcohol syndrome.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Maverick
Why? Given your past as an example I figured it may have been the case.

Why is it a concern? Three words, fetal alcohol syndrome.

Given my past? What does that have to do with my wife?

[Maverick]

If you can't figure out how your background and choices impacts on your family, I can't help you.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Maverick
If you can't figure out how your background and choices impacts on your family, I can't help you.

Background as what? Someone who gets drunk now and then? Stretching it abit there Maverick arent you..

[Gh0stFT]

why this debate here ends on private thing? this topic is about
what?
i have no problem if someone is smoking and killing himself slowly,
its your life, do it.
But if i sit with my Gf & baby in a restaurant or a pub to eat something
and a person starts to smoke, 1 sec. later i ask that person if they can
stop smoking as long as we sit there. In 99% people are friendly and
understand it, they see our baby and stop smoking, no problem here so far.

[BUG_EAF322]

I wouldnt go with a baby in a pub and than go ask people to quit smokin.
Otherwise there always non smokin areas, more than smokin.


I hope they do not allow smoking in pubs soon.
Many wil go bankrupt.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I wouldnt go with a baby in a pub and than go ask people to quit smokin.

i was talking about mainly midays, where restaurans and/or pubs are
mostly empty anyway. Trust me i dont enter pubs at night with our baby
LOL.

Even at McDoanlds there are smoking/non-smoking areas, so far it works,
so whats the problem at all?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Dos Equis


Maybe, just because these scientists say so, smoking will be banned in all restaurants. By state law. Wouldn't that be something? Stupid public health concerns.

In Jersey it just has been in ALL bars, resturants and public buildings.

Oh BTW there is ONE exeption. ONE exculsion to the ban....

Casinos.

hmmmm I wonder why

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Even at McDoanlds there are smoking/non-smoking areas, so far it works,
so whats the problem at all?

ROFLMAO
If you are eating the crap at Mickey Dee`s, second hand smoke is the least of your health concerns.

[Angus]

I know 3 mothers that chainsmoked during pregnancy.
All had a baby with problems, traceable to the smoking.
(heart development, gut development, etc).
So, what Nilsen said is true, - an unborn cannot defend itself. Freedom, yeah, of course.

I know a lot of people who smoked them selves to death, and I know some others that shortened their lives considerably with it. I don't know anyone yet that was shot dead though.

I also know people who have lung problems from indirect smoking in the working place, - my mother being one of them. She was a telephone operator with some 9 others who smoked at the spot, so no getting away, - and balls? She was the only non-smoker.
Some of them are dead from it AFAIK.

So, who's freedom is it? Freedom to NOT breath someones stinky tobacco, or freedom to smoke the place? Freedom to be born healthy or poisoned?

Many people live to a long age despite of smoking. But very many don't and the rate is rather unacceptable. The cost is also unacceptable, - for someone always pays, insurance, be it public or private for instance. Loss from the work market at a good age, etc etc.

So, - when the law about smoking is being tightened, I rather chuckle

[lazs2]

LOL... now the people who tell us in other threads that a fetus is a malignant lump are getting all teary eyed about the possibility that smoking may damage it?

this is hypocracy unbounded.

Drinking is a huge killer of people.... smoking is a huge killer of people... both in the hundreds of thousands a year range here in the U.S.

Both addictions cost us billions of dollars a year....  drinking is also dehumanizing and causes untold cruelty and damage to those not drinking.

Both are addictions that are entered into willingly and both have restrictions and taxes.

the taxes from both are spent to grow government... no ones taxes or expenses go down when alcohol or tobacco taxes go up.

And yet.... the hypocrits here that don't do one... want to ban that one in private business and private homes... they sooth their concience by saying they are doing it for the children when...... their addiction kills and destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands of children a year.

Ask any kid raised in an alcoholic family what it was like.

And yet... If we want to be a free people with a government that does not overwhelm us...

We have to allow people to act as they wish... punishing only when they infringe on our rights.

Our rights do not include telling a bar owner if he can allow smoking or drinking or even drugs in his business tho.

lazs

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by lazs2
LOL... now the people who tell us in other threads that a fetus is a malignant lump are getting all teary eyed about the possibility that smoking may damage it?

this is hypocracy unbounded.

nope

i think i have to explain things one more time to you... maybe this time it sinks in... prolly not.

a fetus is a lump.. but if you decide to carry it through to a baby then you should do anything to keep it healthy. if a mom does not quit then she is the selfish one.

Did you get it this time? or must i go again?

[Speed55]

My opinion on this is that some of the points that are being brought up are common sense/respect issues.
Pregnant women that smoke, drink, or do drugs, know that it's dangerous to there baby.
If your in your OWN home with kids, you don't close all the windows, sit there and chain smoke in front of a tied up seven year old, and blow smoke in his face.
If your in a public place, like under the shelter at a bus stop in the rain, and a woman is standing next to you holding her baby, you don't smoke right next to her.

Banning smoking is a really dumb idea, especially in bars. I think taking away a bar owners ability to make his own rules for his establishment is putting too much control in the gov't hands. Why can't there be bars that allow smoking, and bars that don't?

In manhattan it's mostly a bunch of higher than thou yuppies that have the attitude that people have to live according to the way that they want you to live. If you don't then they look down on you. These are the same people that live in 10 million dollar condo's, with doormen,  maids, personal drivers, that probably couldn't change the oil on there car.  They live in a fantasy world.

I smoke, and have for 15 years. I've been thinking of quitting recently, and when i do i'll still keep the same opinion. Banning smoking is wrong.

my OPINION......

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Speed55
My opinion on this is that some of the points that are being brought up are common sense/respect issues.
Pregnant women that smoke, drink, or do drugs, know that it's dangerous to there baby.
If your in your OWN home with kids, you don't close all the windows, sit there and chain smoke in front of a tied up seven year old, and blow smoke in his face.
If your in a public place, like under the shelter at a bus stop in the rain, and a woman is standing next to you holding her baby, you don't smoke right next to her.

Banning smoking is a really dumb idea, especially in bars. I think taking away a bar owners ability to make his own rules for his establishment is putting too much control in the gov't hands. Why can't there be bars that allow smoking, and bars that don't?

In manhattan it's mostly a bunch of higher than thou yuppies that have the attitude that people have to live according to the way that they want you to live. If you don't then they look down on you. These are the same people that live in 10 million dollar condo's, with doormen,  maids, personal drivers, that probably couldn't change the oil on there car.  They live in a fantasy world.

I smoke, and have for 15 years. I've been thinking of quitting recently, and when i do i'll still keep the same opinion. Banning smoking is wrong.

my OPINION......

Your opinion is noted and respected. It was presented in a mature way.

[Urchin]

I quit smoking almost a year ago, and I still think that a ban on smoking is a completely unwarranted intrusion by the government into private citizens lives.  

If you don't want to smoke, don't.  If you don't want to be around smoke, find a bar/restaraunt where the owner has decided to not allow smoking.  If someone is smoking near you and you don't like it, ask them to quit.  If they don't quit, leave.  If you feel like "making a point" I guess you could get in a fight over a cigarette, but I think that'd be pretty stupid.

Nilson, don't take it personally.  Both Lazs and Maverick are fond of personal attacks/insinuations, making cogent arguments appears to be difficult for them.