Author Topic: Messeschmitt Bf-109, Emil, Gustav and Konrad (Read 6731 times)

Reynolds · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:14:02 PM »

Thanks for all the info... but um, about 109s...

Angus · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2006, 03:14:55 PM »

So, Dora instead of David

leitwolf · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2006, 06:11:22 PM »

honest question: what's so special about Kurfürst/Konrad/whatnot? It's still just the letter K?

Bruno · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2006, 06:24:37 PM »

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what's so special about Kurfürst/Konrad/whatnot? It's still just the letter K?

Nothing, my reply wasn't to be taken seriously. It was just 'having fun'...

Kurfürst is/was the nik of a poster on this forum who was banned. He was/is a dedicated enthusiast of the 109K.

So..,

I don't know 'Konrad' but 'Kurfürst' can be found by a simple search

Panzzer · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2006, 06:33:27 PM »

Here's an article about 109's, Myths and some facts. That's based on pilot evaluations, many do disagree with those. Anyway, a good place to get started on, read through that for starters.

Tomorrow, Sat 10 am, a funeral of a Brewster and a Bf-109 pilot, Erkki Pakarinen, at Tampere Tuomiokirkko (Finland..), Rest in peace.

Platano · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2006, 02:11:43 AM »

Reynolds like i said what u cant out turn you can outclimb....

Engine Power/Climb rate...in order from worst to best..

109E-4
109F-4
109G-6
109G-2
109G-14
109K-4

Turning ability..In order from worst to best

109K-4
109G-14
109G-6
109G-2
109F-4
109E-4

*** please note this is from MY 4 months personal experience of flying nothing but 109's...if I am wrong please let me know as I am still a N00b

***

You see the trend?? the more early war the 109 is the better its manuverbility but the more underpowered it is... vise-versa for the more the late war the 109 is the less manuverable it becomes but it makes up for it for having superior climbing...the 109K-4 is one of the best if not the best plane in a climb...

Also from 109G-2 and on, 109's have probably the best acceleration there is ..I especially like to show thier acceleration off If im in a stall fight going reeeeeeelly slow(If i dont get picked first that is) and im losing ground on the opponent I retract my flaps hit the wep and watch that baby go like a rocket.. This is especially fun against USN (AKA the blue planes) planes as their acceleration sucks butt big time

When we trained you stated how you like the K-4 and G-14....beware these are not easy to learn...try the easier models first like the F-4 or the G-2....Also once in a blue moon up another plane thats not a 109 so you learn it and you know what it can and cannot do so when you face it in combat you'll know exactly how to fight it...I am a LW pilot myself and I love nothing but 109's but ocassionally I'll up a P-38 or a P-51 so I learn wat it can and cannot do..Same goes for all RAF planes and IJN planes...

One last thing to tell you Reynolds...109's are NOT easy planes to learn... DO NOT get discouraged if you keep getting shot down..I've only been playing since February and 109 is only thing I like to fly and Im still learning to fly them....

Remember stay fast, check your 6 every 8 seconds, DONT up at a capped field, always try to get AT LEAST 8K when going into a fight in the MA, and Happy Huntings

Hope this Helps

Reynolds · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:13:50 AM »

Thanks very much all of you! and one thing... Angus, thats a 109 G-2 right? Also about those pro-words, Kurfurst, Gustav, they make it sound so much more important. I prefer to use those instead of just the letter, because it makes it sound more interesting.

Angus · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:25:45 AM »

Platano, are you sure that the G-14 on WEP doesn't out-turn the G14?
And the F-4 should be on par with the 109E, even better. Besides, it rolls and climbs much better. The F is a dogfighter

Platano · « **Reply #23 on:** July 01, 2006, 10:26:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus

And the F-4 should be on par with the 109E, even better. Besides, it rolls and climbs much better. The F is a dogfighter

Ive tried it..the F-4 rolls better and feels more nimble overall but cant keep up with the E-4 in a flat turn....

Widewing · « **Reply #24 on:** July 01, 2006, 01:01:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Platano
Ive tried it..the F-4 rolls better and feels more nimble overall but cant keep up with the E-4 in a flat turn....

The E-4 turns a tad tighter (roughly 30 feet smaller radius), but the F-4 has a considerable advantage in turn rate, plus it's superior in a yo-yo. In short, the F-4 will win a stall fight.

My regards,

Widewing

Reynolds · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2006, 01:47:25 PM »

YAY!!! All of this pretty information! My folders gonna get thicker today!

Angus · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:36:26 PM »

A thread that perhaps won't catch fire...
109 vs 109

Murdr · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:41:22 PM »

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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Bruno,

>Fritz is shorthand for Friedrich so is ok to describe the 109F for example...

So did I think, too, but I just checked the site of the Museum für Post und Telekommunikation in Berlin, and they show "Fritz" as official phonetic code:

Ahh, thanks Hun. I always wondered about that discrepancy.

Reynolds · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:43:13 PM »

So, from peoples experience, what best against a Spit V?

Krusty · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2006, 03:44:58 PM »

Best fun? 109F vs Spit5 is best matchup for skill, I think.

Best = easiest to kill a spit5 in? Then K-4 has the best engine, the best climb, and a 30mm. If you have the 30mm take the G14 with the 20mm, still has a good engine and good climb.