Messeschmitt Bf-109, Emil, Gustav and Konrad

[Reynolds]

Who knows, it might! Just a few years ago, they found 3 more type XXI U-Boats in Germany, that baby might be out there somewhere too...

[Angus]

Was at Duxford in 2000, - twice.
They had BoB aces signing like wild. Didn't get my hand on anything from there though.
But my chance came later, when I spent a day with Rall. There was an aviation "event" in the evening, and I was thinking, dang, I'd like to have him sign something.
Well, my luck was there, - a guy brought me a book I had lent to him, and I just had to turn around for Rall with the pen in his hand.
"Warplanes of the Luftwaffe", signed by Rall
Later I got his book "Mein Flugbuch" also signed.
There are some others. I have a rather rare book, - "Smoke trails in the sky" signed by the author, - BoB pilot and ace, A.Bartley.
And then, sadly not signed, - Ernst Udet's "Mein Fliegerleben" from 1935

[Platano]

Originally posted by Angus
Erich Hartmann, Ace of Aces, 354 kills in 109.
 

So what does that make  Adolf Galland?

[Baylor]

Erich Hartmann, Ace of Aces, 354 kills in 109.

thought it was 352?

[Creton]

Great duels this morning Balor.

[Baylor]

bahh you meanie. was fun.

[MiloMorai]

Reynolds, list of WW2 aces,    http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/aces.htm

[gripen]

There have been some discussion about the flaps of the 109 so here is some data on it. The first one is the V24 prototype with 15,1m2 wing measured in Chalais-Meudon (NASM reel 2147):



The used flap angle (60deg) is more than used in the production wing (40deg). The polars indicate quite clearly that full flaps does not give any sustained turning advantage above stalling speed of the clean wing. The report does not give polars for partial flap settings.

The second one is a 1:4,3 scale model of the Bf 109G measured by Mtt in their wind tunnel (NASM reel 2057). The polars are for the wing only and not directly comparable with full scale plane:



Again large deflections give no practical sustained turn advantage above stalling speed of the clean wing. But small deflection (10deg) give some advantage at that speed range, the Cl being roughly 10% higher at same drag around the stalling speed of the clean wing.

gripen

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Baylor
thought it was 352?

Correct, Hartmann had 352, Galland 104...which makes Galland, uh, Galland.  But it didn't stand in the way of his becoming General der Jagdflieger at the ripe old age of 29.

[Reynolds]

What was our highest kill score? 30 something?

[DiabloTX]

Richard "Dick" Bong - 40 kills.

All of them BnZin'.

[Reynolds]

40 kills, 352 kills. And yet they lost the war... something seem a bit wierd there?

[Angus]

352 kills it was, sorry.
By many Galland is considered the greater one though. Johnny Johnsson considers him the best of the German aces in WW2.
Rall is by some considered the best, - 275 kills while spending so and so much time in Hospital, - and he was also active on the western front.
Then again you have phenomenal characters like Marseille, tacticians like Mölders etc etc.
(Sticking to 109 pilots)
Top ace of the USAAF is as mentioned Dick Bong with 40, and the USN was David McCampbell (?), USMC "Pappy" Boyngton I think, RAF is Pat Pattle, etc etc.
Many of the Aces never met an enemy Ace, but there are famous exceptions. The one that comes to mind with the 109 is when Werner Mölders fought the South African RAF pilot A.G.Malan. Mölders got on Malans tail, but Malan managed to reverse the situation and shot Mölders up pretty badly.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Reynolds
What was our highest kill score? 30 something?

Did you even look at the link provided? If you had, you would not have to ask the question.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Angus
352 kills it was, sorry.
By many Galland is considered the greater one though. Johnny Johnsson considers him the best of the German aces in WW2.
Rall is by some considered the best, - 275 kills while spending so and so much time in Hospital, - and he was also active on the western front.
Then again you have phenomenal characters like Marseille, tacticians like Mölders etc etc.
(Sticking to 109 pilots)
Top ace of the USAAF is as mentioned Dick Bong with 40, and the USN was David McCampbell (?), USMC "Pappy" Boyngton I think, RAF is Pat Pattle, etc etc.
Many of the Aces never met an enemy Ace, but there are famous exceptions. The one that comes to mind with the 109 is when Werner Mölders fought the South African RAF pilot A.G.Malan. Mölders got on Malans tail, but Malan managed to reverse the situation and shot Mölders up pretty badly.

From what I understand there's been a little issue come to light about the authenticity of Marseille's victory claims.  I'm not sure where I saw it but there was some discrepency about what the RAF records showed and what Marseille claimed.  If I find it again I'll post it.