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KgB · « **Reply #165 on:** August 05, 2006, 04:42:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Maybe you could come up with some figures on how many people were murdered by Christians?

Let's make it easy,we will take 20th sentury only.
Let's make it even easyer-ww2 took 60 million lifes.
Add 2000 years of christianity with it's crusades and wars.
Christianity is

"Believe what i say or i'll hurt you"

kind of religion.
Praise the Lord gentelmen,or you go to hell.But he loves you anyway.

lukster · « **Reply #166 on:** August 05, 2006, 04:52:55 PM »

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Originally posted by KgB
Let's make it easy,we will take 20th sentury only.
Let's make it even easyer-ww2 took 60 million lifes.
Add 2000 years of christianity with it's crusades and wars.
Christianity is

"Believe what i say or i'll hurt you"

kind of religion.
Praise the Lord gentelmen,or you go to hell.But he loves you anyway.

I can cite for you many that will list the death toll at over 100 million at the hands of communists. I'm not talking about those killed in war. I'm talking about those citizens murdered by their own governments. Governments that viewed and view Christianity and religion in general as competition to be eliminated one way or another.

Elfie · « **Reply #167 on:** August 05, 2006, 05:44:33 PM »

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Originally posted by KgB
Let's make it easy,we will take 20th sentury only.
Let's make it even easyer-ww2 took 60 million lifes.
Add 2000 years of christianity with it's crusades and wars.
Christianity is

"Believe what i say or i'll hurt you"

kind of religion.
Praise the Lord gentelmen,or you go to hell.But he loves you anyway.

Are you saying Christianity is at fault for 60 million deaths during WWII?

Christianity is NOT *Believe what I say or I will hurt you*. Christianity, or being a Christian is to try to be Christ-like, to follow His teachings, to have a personal relationship with Him.

To my knowledge, the Bible does not say, Praise the Lord or you will go to Hell. It does say: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Other passages in the Bible deal with the consequences of non-repentance of sin. Going to Hell is a direct consequence of non-repentance.

Being a Christian does not mean that I am without fault, or without sin. Being a Christian does mean that when I have made mistakes (ie sin) that I pray and ask forgiveness for those sins, and I ask for the strength and wisdom to not make the same mistake again.

Neubob · « **Reply #168 on:** August 05, 2006, 08:21:21 PM »

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Originally posted by KgB
Aha-ha-ha!:rofl
Americans never killed civilians nor did Jews:rofl
Omg,i cant stop....
"extinction of their entire race" -awwww
Those inocent Israely children,it melts my heart,Israel teaches love and peace....but never hate
[/IMG]:lol

The big difference, moy daragoy tavarish, is that the Israelis end the conflicts, they do not start them. I defy you to give me an example of an Israeli 9/11 against arab targets. Another difference is that the Arabs are not fighting for their lives. They are fighting for domination. The Iasraelis, aggressive and cold-blooded, just wan to live another day.

I've been a Russian all my life, and nothing gives me more shame than the anti-semtic heritage that courses through my blood. Apparently, some people have remained satisfied in staying the course of their ancestors.

Pazor.

Elfie · « **Reply #169 on:** August 05, 2006, 10:52:40 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
quick check on wikipedia

" it is estimated some 3 000 000 people has been killed because of heresy in the Medieval and Early Modern Europe"

Not gonna excuse that, was no excuse for it.

It doesnt come close to even the numbers of people Stalin had killed. Add in the ALL of the Crusades and I bet it still doesnt equal Stalin's kill total.

Shuckins · « **Reply #170 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:00:31 PM »

Yeah...the Israelis are really brutal in their treatment of their enemies.

Despite the fact that they've captured thousands of their most violent and murderous terrorist enemies, in the entire history of the nation of Israel they've carried out only one execution...

...that of Adolf Eichmann.

KgB · « **Reply #171 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:42:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
The big difference, moy daragoy tavarish, is that the Israelis end the conflicts, they do not start them. I defy you to give me an example of an Israeli 9/11 against arab targets. Another difference is that the Arabs are not fighting for their lives. They are fighting for domination. The Iasraelis, aggressive and cold-blooded, just wan to live another day.

I've been a Russian all my life, and nothing gives me more shame than the anti-semtic heritage that courses through my blood. Apparently, some people have remained satisfied in staying the course of their ancestors.

Pazor.

Moy dorogoy grazhdanin,the difference is that Israel is the starter of all conflicts in MidEast.Conflicts"terrorism" started right after Jews were given land on Arabs teritory,did it not?
Where were you Russian anyway?

KgB · « **Reply #172 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:45:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
Yeah...the Israelis are really brutal in their treatment of their enemies.

Despite the fact that they've captured thousands of their most violent and murderous terrorist enemies, in the entire history of the nation of Israel they've carried out only one execution...

...that of Adolf Eichmann.

Define "terrorist" please

KgB · « **Reply #173 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:54:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Are you saying Christianity is at fault for 60 million deaths during WWII?

Christianity is NOT *Believe what I say or I will hurt you*. Christianity, or being a Christian is to try to be Christ-like, to follow His teachings, to have a personal relationship with Him.

To my knowledge, the Bible does not say, Praise the Lord or you will go to Hell. It does say: John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Other passages in the Bible deal with the consequences of non-repentance of sin. Going to Hell is a direct consequence of non-repentance.

Being a Christian does not mean that I am without fault, or without sin. Being a Christian does mean that when I have made mistakes (ie sin) that I pray and ask forgiveness for those sins, and I ask for the strength and wisdom to not make the same mistake again.

You do know that we worship a half naked bleeding jew nailed to wooden cross dont you?Even smartest nation an a planet(jews) do not accept Christ as son of God.So jews condamned to go to hell for not accepting Christ?
You know only Christians have hell?Not jewdaism,budism,islam.
It is "believe what i say or you go to hell".

KgB · « **Reply #174 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:56:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Not gonna excuse that, was no excuse for it.

It doesnt come close to even the numbers of people Stalin had killed. Add in the ALL of the Crusades and I bet it still doesnt equal Stalin's kill total.

And how many did he killed exactly?
Hitler was Christian,60 million deaths later...well you know
Did you know that Stalin went to seminary school?

Elfie · « **Reply #175 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:06:48 AM »

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Originally posted by KgB
Moy dorogoy ...whatever,the difference is that Israel is the starter of all conflicts in MidEast.Conflicts"terrorism" started right after Jews were given land on Arabs teritory,did it not?

Well, in just the major wars in that region.

In 1948 the Arabs attacked Israel immediately after Israel became a state.

In 1956 the Israeli's attacked Egypt in the Sinai and Gaza Strip after a series of cross border raids by the Egytians with subsequent Israeli reprisals.

In 1967 Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against the Egyptian forces that were massing in the Sinai just across the border from Israel.

The war of attrition that ended in 1970 was instigated by Egypt as a way to win back the Sinai.

In 1973 Israel was planning another pre-emptive strike but due to political pressure waited until Egypt and Syria both attacked.

The invasion of Lebanon in 1982 was preceded by an assasination attempt on Israel's ambassador to the UK (Shlomo Argov) and by PLO artillery attacks on Israeli population centers in northern Israel from southern Lebanon.

This is information that is readily available. As you can see, every major conflict was either directly instigated by the Arabs or caused by a series of Arab actions against Israel.

I have intentionally made each conflict as brief as possible. An indepth review of history on any of those conflicts would be worth of their own thread. Those are the basics in a very small nutshell

Shuckins · « **Reply #176 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:09:56 AM »

KgB,

How's this for a definition:

One of the terrorists whose release was demanded by the kidnappers of the two Israeli soldiers a month ago is the very embodiment of the term "terrorist."

He and some fellow terrorists slipped into a Jewish settlement at Nahariyah and kidnapped a father and his 8 year old son. The wife of the victim hid in the attic of their home, hand tightly clamped over the mouth of her one year old baby.

The father and his son were taken to a nearby beach on the Mediterranean and summarily executed, without mercy. Some time later, the mother, concluding that the terrorists had finally left, finally got up to go to call for help, only to discover that she had accidentally smothered her baby.

Hope you're not going to use the old "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" argument.

StSanta · « **Reply #177 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:14:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Not gonna excuse that, was no excuse for it.

It doesnt come close to even the numbers of people Stalin had killed. Add in the ALL of the Crusades and I bet it still doesnt equal Stalin's kill total.

Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour.

Stalin and the other communists didn't kill people because they were religious. The didn't kill them because they weren't atheist.

They killed 'em because it was either convenient (mass starvation) or because they represented or possibly could represent a threat to their regime. Of course, this can frequently be said about other mass murders, in which belief in some particular God or gods is used as a moral justification hiding a much larger political/military/personal objective.

There's been lots of calls on God in relation to the mass slaughter of 'enemies of God'. The Islamic militants are the ones grinding the axe at this point in time. Before that, it's been the Christians, the Aztecs, the Romans and what have you.

Compared to that, calls to kill the 'enemies of the non existant deity we lack any belief in" are lacking. Calls to kill 'enemies of the state" have generall been well heeded however.

Distinction, laides and gentlemen.

Elfie · « **Reply #178 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:27:24 AM »

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Originally posted by KgB
And how many did he killed exactly?
Hitler was Christian,60 million deaths later...well you know
Did you know that Stalin went to seminary school?

Hitler was not Christian.

Seminary school in and of itself does not make one a Christian. While Stalin did attend a seminary, at some point he abandoned those beliefs and took up Marxism.

Neither one of those men tryed to be Christ-like, neither followed Christ's teachings. Without those first 2, a personal relationship with Him is impossible. Hence, neither were Christians.

Just a few examples of the things Christ taught from the book of Luke.

Luk 6:27 But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
Luk 6:28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29 And to him who strikes you on the one cheek, also offer the other. And to him who takes away your garment, do not forbid your tunic also.
Luk 6:30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and from him who takes away your goods, do not ask them again.
Luk 6:31 And as you desire that men should do to you, you do also to them likewise.

I dont believe Stalin or Hitler followed any of those and thats just a sample of what Christ taught.

KgB · « **Reply #179 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:29:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Well, in just the major wars in that region.

In 1948 the Arabs attacked Israel immediately after Israel became a state.
I have intentionally made each conflict as brief as possible. An indepth review of history on any of those conflicts would be worth of their own thread. Those are the basics in a very small nutshell

Thanks for quick response sir.Well according to your logic you wouldnt mind if previos owners of your house asked you to share with them or should i say just moved in without asking?