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Offline 1K3

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« on: August 12, 2006, 04:40:28 PM »
This is what the I.D.F. is using right now.  It looks like a submachine gun but this is an assault rifle.  I think US Army/Marines neeeds to purchase these...

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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2006, 04:52:36 PM »
what for? do you think US can't handle designing and production of rifles?
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2006, 04:57:23 PM »
What do you really know about it other than what you saw a salesman showing off on a tv show?

How has performed in exposure trials?  Is it easily field stripped and cleaned?  What is the MTBF?  What is the cost of the rifle and replacement parts?  What volume could it be delivered in?   Is it really advisable to have a foreign supplier of the main battle rifle of the USA?   Wouldn't you prefer as I would that we give the contract to supply arms to the USA to a US company?  Will extra magazines be available in sufficient quantity for years to come?

It might be a good rifle, but there is more to consider than you think it looks cool and a tv show made it look good?
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2006, 05:01:32 PM »
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what for? do you think US can't handle designing and production of rifles?


Not really.. M16 was hampered with problems for a long time. Now theres a new gun coming up - Based on the HK G36. German gun once again, just like on Abrams.
M1903 Springfield was based on german Kar98 rifle - Royalties were paid to Germany up to the first world war.

M1 Garand is probably the only good american rifle. M14 was quite good too.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2006, 05:06:28 PM »
Certainly a nice looking weapon.

But what kind of range and accuracy does it have?
Im no gun expert but it seems kind short barreled to be very accurate beyond a few yards

If I am wrong. enlighten me
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2006, 05:12:27 PM »
It'd be a waste of money to switch from one lousy 5.56mm weapon to another.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2006, 05:12:58 PM »
I'm sure it has great civilian stopping power.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2006, 05:14:20 PM »
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Im no gun expert but it seems kind short barreled to be very accurate beyond a few yards

If I am wrong. enlighten me


Barrel lenghts
M16: 508mm
M4: 370mm
Tavor TAR/STAR: 460mm
Tavor CATR: 380mm

The bull pup design just makes it look shorter - the barrel is further back in the gun, as you can see from the location of the magazine.

I'm sure Israelis have made good work on the gun, because they need the quality.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2006, 05:16:28 PM »
Looks like something you'd find in a toy store.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2006, 05:25:01 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2006, 05:26:37 PM »
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Not really.. M16 was hampered with problems for a long time.


You're right, 40 plus years as the rifle of issue proves the M16 sucked.

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M1 Garand is probably the only good american rifle. M14 was quite good too.


Actually, the M14 is an improved version of the M1 Garand, you make it sound like the other way around.  Not sure you really have a handle on those two rifles.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2006, 05:37:19 PM »
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I'm sure it has great civilian stopping power.


If it has great civilian stopping power, I'm sure it stops soldiers and terrorists just as well since all categories are humans ;)
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2006, 05:40:10 PM »
had an M16 for 2 days somehow the stock was broken in a firefight.  liked the M14 much better.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2006, 05:55:06 PM »
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Actually, the M14 is an improved version of the M1 Garand, you make it sound like the other way around.  Not sure you really have a handle on those two rifles.


Yeah, but it didn't make it much lighter.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2006, 05:57:03 PM »
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Certainly a nice looking weapon.

But what kind of range and accuracy does it have?
Im no gun expert but it seems kind short barreled to be very accurate beyond a few yards

If I am wrong. enlighten me


I watched this on Discovery channel ("Future weapns" or something like that).  Tavor has the effective range similar to M16, it's lighter (looks like a plastic toy you can buy at 99 cents store but it's strong!), waterproofed, flexible and easy to handle in urban fighting, and its got great accuracy thanks to advanced red-dot reflex sight.

This is something that US needs because of the situation they're in...
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