Pistol vs. Revolver?

[Squire]

"Being a good shot does not come with the intestinal fortitude needed to think clear enough to save your life, if freaking out and capping 30 rounds at some fool saves your life, that's just as good as calmly putting 2 in the chest & 1 to the head while sipping a late'."

Well said.

I think one would have to take a hard look at what military and police forces use for sidearms. The US Secret Service protection details are probably a good example to look at. They sure aren't packing SA revolvers, and they carry for the real world.

That being said, its the man, not the gun, a very good combat shooter is going to be dangerous with a 45 SA Ruger, or a Glock 19, when the lead starts to fly. Conversely, a poor shot and a bad tactician will be as useless with a Glock 19 as he would be with a 45 SA Ruger.

The fact that your round has better "ballistic gel" attributes doesnt matter when you are lying dead on the ground.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Squire
The US Secret Service protection details are probably a good example to look at. They sure aren't packing SA revolvers, and they carry for the real world.
 

Yeah, but after all, they aren't lazs either.  

Just teasing ya lazs.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Halo
To me, the biggest problem with semiautos is fully loaded magazine reliability over time.  Several sources advise freshening magazines at least once a month.  The whole idea of relying on a compressed spring over time is not encouraging.

A properly engineered spring will not sack-out over time. Unfortunately, some manufacturers go low-buck and use cheap material, or don't properly stress-relieve the spring. Many use cheap Music wire...

I've formed new springs for my two-dozen CETME mags, using 17-7 PH wire, heat treated for 60 minutes at 900 degrees F. 17-7 PH is a stainless steel alloy that is hardened via precipitation and is extremely stable. I can fully load the mags and store them for 20 years without a second thought.

My regards,

Widewing

[Dago]

Originally posted by Widewing
A properly engineered spring will not sack-out over time. Unfortunately, some manufacturers go low-buck and use cheap material, or don't properly stress-relieve the spring. Many use cheap Music wire...

I've formed new springs for my two-dozen CETME mags, using 17-7 PH wire, heat treated for 60 minutes at 900 degrees F. 17-7 PH is a stainless steel alloy that is hardened via precipitation and is extremely stable. I can fully load the mags and store them for 20 years without a second thought.

My regards,

Widewing

Well said.  I knew this wasn't even close to accurate but didnt bother responding when I read it.  I know of people who have left an M1A magazine fully charged with 20 rounds for years (some up to 20 years) who took them to the range and fired flawlessly.

Quality of a magazine and the spring is the critical factor regarding if and how long you can keep a magazine loaded.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Hawklore
What dates you got?

I just picked up some Fiocci ammo, reloading isn't my thing, and I wanted to see how it shot.

Still havn't gotten to the range to live fire my nagant revolver .

My next trip to the range will consist of this ammunition being used.

7.62x54

7.62x38

7.62x25

And if I figure out what my czech mauser is chamberd for... It shoots 8mm blanks fine, but I gotta double check it's bore.

My old clunker one is a 1929, the other two are 1940s models.  The Czech mauser should be a 7.65 mm, but dont quote me on that.  It should shoot 8mm just fine.  

The Fiocci ammo is a little on the hot side, you'll definitely know you are shooting something.  I mean its still only a tiny little .32 so its not like theres a huge bullet there, but its a looooooong casing for a pistol round.  I bought 1000 rounds of the Fiocci stuff, so if any of them dont split I'll save them and let you know what its like to reload them.  If I can ever find the hardware.  Wolf should have their version out in the next couple months, but I'm betting it'll be jacketed too, like the Fiocci.    I'd like to find some plain lead bullets.  Ah well.  I guess I'll be using .32-20s for reloadable ammo.

[Suave]

In what states is it illegal to carry an unconcealed firearm?

[lukster]

Originally posted by Suave
In what states is it illegal to carry an unconcealed firearm?

Depends on where you are and the type of firearm. If you want to strap a six shooter to yer leg and walk through the middle of town Arizona is the state I'm aware of where you can do that. There may be others.

Concealed carry is a better crime detterent though.

[lazs2]

I think we are getting a little far afield here.  we were talking about what is best for people to buy..  a revolver or a semiauto.

Unless you are a deciple of some combat shooting sport or a cop or in the military where you wear a holstered sidearm with a ton of other gear....

The revolver is king.   It is far more versitile.

conceal one?  340 pd  hands down...not firearm offers as much concealability or reliability or POWER in one package... if you think that all gunfights happen at close range... this is the fight stopper.  and, if you can carry a cell phone... then this is just as easy.... reliable 5 shot revolver.

hunting.... hands down... revolver no real mystery here.

plinking at various ranges... again... no contest.. .357 or .41 or .44 mag... the kings of plinking next to a 22.    They don't make a mess throwing brass all over either.

reloading... you got to be kidding?  for reloading nothing matches the revolver for ease and variety of reloads.   And... you don't have to play pick up brass like a dork everywhere you go.

Long range shooting... again.. your kidding... only the revolver or single shot.

Home defense?  about equal except that you can vary the load with a revolver and shoot things like glasser safety slugs and such.

military or police or military and police wantabes..... probly the semi auto is king.

Oh... mags... I leave a dozen 45 mags loaded for years and have never had a problem...  course.. revolvers don't ever have to worry about mag condition.    Oooops... dropped a mag!  did I bend anything?  who knows?

lazs

[Dago]

Oh puhhhleeeeze,

Revolvers suck hind tit.  


Nobody wants them, nobody buys them, pretty soon nobody will make them.


John Wayners want revolvers to go along with their spurs,  serious shooters want autos.


Autos pack much better in concealed carry situations.


They look cooler and chicks dig 'em.


Revolvers jam if not kept clean.  Autos shoot forever, dirty or no.


Military and Police all dumped revolvers.   Why aren't  military or hunting weapons made as long barrel shoulder stocked revolvers if they are so great?

And last but not least, did I mention chicks dig 'em?  And by default they dig guys who shoot autos!!!  

[Suave]

As far as self defense is concerned; the biggest advantage that the double action revolver has over the auto is that an auto is only as reliable as it's ammo.

I imagine that recharging a handgun as someone is trying to kill you would be very embarrasing.

Mortifying.

[lazs2]

So you admit that only military and police and pretend military and police have a use for semi autos?

revolvers don't "jam" when they are dirty unless you mean soak in a tub of mud.   I don't do that to my firearms but you pretend military guys may find that a valid test.

No one makes revolvers?   LOL...  there are new revolvers coming out every day... all the latest development in cartriges that are worth a damn has been with revolver rounds...  

Face it...  you just got caught up in action movies and think that you have to have a semi auto that shoots 30 or more rounds with one in each hand as you are leaping in the air.  

semi autos are fine for little guys and men who are very sensitive to recoil and can't shoot a real firearm that might buck a little.    they are fine for guys who watch em on tv more than shoot em.

If you are never going to fire more than 8 or ten thousand rounds out of em....  you will probly never know what you are missing.

lazs

[Suave]

[john9001]

you can turn a semi-auto on it's side and shoot lika gansta, gangstas only use semi-autos.

[lazs2]

that's true... I forgot about that....  gangstas use em so they must be really cool.

revolvers just look dumb when you hold em sideways but semi autos look really neat.... double cool if you have one in each hand both sideways.

lazs

[Dago]

You will always rise to the bait won't you lazs?

Heck, you probably still drive a Studebaker too!

Suave,  ammo is almost never the cause of an auto jam, it is almost always a bad magazine.

Revolvers are for cowboy wannabees.  

So you admit that only military and police and pretend military and police have a use for semi autos?

No, I admit they have a use only for autos, not they are the only ones with a use for them.

Poor  lazs, watching the sun set on his beloved wheel guns, he refuses to go quietly into the dieing of the light.  

And ya, even the gangsta know you gotta shoot autos to look cool to the babes.