Someone help me understand.....

[Noir]

Knite got it right, fights are even funnier when the goal is defending a field or capturing it, not just going straight to closest contact.

[Flayed1]

Guppy I was one of the 10 BOPs on at the time and I belive we were fairly evenly split.   I and a few others were fending off the rooks from taking our bases and others were helping bish take bases trying to win the war and what it turned out to be was a race with the Rooks to win.

  And like I have stated in other threads why if I am trying to help my team win would I want to jump and help the other team win?? Jumping here and there to help even out sides dosn't really work for the win the war types like me...

  NOTE:  Yes I am a "win the war type" but I am not afraid of a fight as so many say us "win the war" types are.  Like I said I was fighting Rooks to hold them off of our bases.

 I think the big reason that all of the rolling undefended or next to undefended bases happened was that both Rooks and Bish took the path of least resistance and like I said it became a race to reset...

 While I see the problems with a 2 sided war, a 2 sided war would have worked out well in this instance as both Rooks and Bish had almost identical #'s.

 And yes there might have been 10 BOPs on but I'll bet there were 10 other people on in Bish and rooks and they didn't want to jump either, so (though you probably know this) this is not just a BOP or any other squads problem....


[EDIT]  Oh and what Knite said.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Guppy35
No one has answered my question yet

The answer is simple : because it's possible (note that I don't agree but ... it's possible)

[Stang]

LOL Dan plays for score?  So he can get his name in headlights?  

Good one, Falc.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
yes...to make YOUR experience more fun we will divide into smaller groups and fly 3 to a country and private text each other back and forth (yes im being facetious but can you understand how ludicrous this sounds?)  

No.  Actually, it works quite well and can be a lot of fun for the squad that splits.

- oldman

[Stang]

I usually make it a point to be on the opposite side of my squadmates so I can shoot them down and laugh at them.  It's fun.

[hubsonfire]

Yes it can. http://www.furballunderground.com/Guest/SA.ahf

[BugsBunny]

Originally posted by fungi987
Aww  come on  its only been a month;)

Give it time they say. The numbers will even out:rolleyes:

I feel your pain Gup

Fungi

Very true.  They will even up.  It will be something like this when you log in.

EWA 0/250
MWA 0/250
LWA1 250/250
LWA2 250/250
LWA3 10/250 (these are the guys that will be having so much fun, they will prepay for 5 years

[Stang]

LOL is that the film I think it is?  



Cherry picking hoicane tard.  I got Morph first tho.  He was pissed heh.

[Hornet]

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[Donzo]

Originally posted by Guppy35
I checked the roster when I got in to see who was flying and noted that on the high numbers Bish, there were 10+ BoPs.

Had they chosen to go to the low numbers side when they saw the numbers imbalance it would have been even sides all around.

They didn't.

Here we go...

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Guppy35

And I really want to know the appeal of it.  

Its about winning........ not the value of the win.......... just the win itself..................... like playing group solitaire................ no actual opponent.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Flayed1
......snip....
  And like I have stated in other threads why if I am trying to help my team win would I want to jump and help the other team win?? Jumping here and there to help even out sides dosn't really work for the win the war types like me...

  .....snip.....

[EDIT]  Oh and what Knite said.

OK, you want to win the war.

1) But lets take that night's situation to its extreme.....what if there were NO players on the low side? Would it still have been fun to take all the bases and "win"? What exactly have you won, if there was no opposition? Why is it satisfying, and what is the point of your "team" winning against no one? Be honest --  40 guys "defeating" 5 guys is an awful lot like the Steelers "defeating" the local Pop Warner team.

If it was fun at all, would it have been as much fun as an evenly matched victory? And if an evenly matched contest is what's most fun, then  defending against the odds would be kinda fun too -- provided there was some hope of succeeding.

Lastly, winning against guys who arent playing the same game has to be HOLLOW (if you have any insight at all); so if you reset when everybody's A2A fighting it means....what? How meaningful is a touchdown some kid "scores" by grabbing a ball and running to the endzone during halftime? No one tried to stop him --shoot, no one else was playing....and if he's proud of doing it, well, with all respect he's an idiot.

2) No matter if your "team" is a wingmate, a squad, or a country, it's important to remember that the guys you're playing against are PEOPLE. They are here for fun too, they most likely want the same thing you do. Remembering that, and respecting your opponents, is called SPORTSMANSHIP. No one can demand that from you, but if you choose to play in an overwhelmingly selfish way, disregarding and disrespecting your opponents, don't expect to be respected.


It's overwhelmingly, incredibly simple. Just treat others the way you would want to be treated in their situation.

You dont have to stop trying, you dont have to turn in your ammo. Play the game....the way you like...but respect the other players enough to do right by them while you play. And, if you're on the side with 40, and they're on the side with 5.....what would YOU suggest is "doing right by them"?

[smash]

Originally posted by Guppy35
I'm certain the air to air guys would be more then happy to fly against the air to building guys.  The problem is the air to building guys don't seem to want to go anywhere near the air to air guys.

Not trying to be a jerk.... just some questions and comments.....

If numbers are equal, how do the A>G group avoid the A>A group?  Loaded with ordinance performance is inferior, so you can't outrun them.  It would have to be surprise.  Unless the A>A guys just don't want the fight.

Numbers imbalance is self-explanatory.  But an arena with a hypothetical 30-20-10 split is a lot worse then a 160-150-140 split in a larger population (single world/arena).

It just seems to me that multiple arenas aggravates the imbalance problem which seems to be the root cause.

I've logged on maybe 6 different days since the change - just guessing.  Here's what I do generally.   I go to either the MW or EW arena first, whichever has the largest number.  When I get in the first thing I do is check the roster.  If the numbers are out of wack I leave for the other arena.  So far one of those two arenas has worked for me -- which is good because in the time period when I ususally fly the LW is packed and you get tossed to the little arena with 40 players, something I'm not interested in.

Once in I look to the map and see where the bars are.  Start flying there and wait for a mission to come up.  If something comes up good where I know the guys planning/flying I'll join.  If during that mission we take a base with no resistance my patience will be about shot.  But sometimes if I've got nothing else going on I'll stick around for a second mission.  No resistance on that one and I'll probably log.  These last few months I'm not able to play for long hours on end.

From my perspective when that occurs (lack of resistance) its boring, but there's not much you can do.  If a country's players are not interested in defending their fields, and they're scared of taking on a group larger then 10 -- what can you do?

The new setup does not seem horribly bad or anything, there are a few annoying things that happen once in a while, but I had that in the old MA too.  I just don't see how anything is going to solve the issues some guys have of only wanting to fight in small numbers.

I just wanted to edit this with a quick comment.  I like the EW arena.  Don't get me wrong.  Its far more fun then I had with the AvA.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Guppy35
There's a certain irony in you saying that about numbers evening out.

I checked the roster when I got in to see who was flying and noted that on the high numbers Bish, there were 10+ BoPs.

Had they chosen to go to the low numbers side when they saw the numbers imbalance it would have been even sides all around.

They didn't.

But then if they had done that, they couldn't fall back on the safety of the hord.

I've been wondering myself about the milkrunners and trying to see what the fun they see in attacking undefended bases.  

I'm not going to point any squadrons out but the other night in the MWA, I saw a friendly base flash so I go there.  I hope into the tower and can see 3-4 Bishops attacking the base.  So I up from a nearby base and fly over and shoot them down.  I refuel and rearm expecting those 3-4 guys to come back but instead they attacked the deserted, undefended Knight base a sector away.  So I go to that base, shoot down a couple of more and again, they move off to the next undefended base.  So I finally said screw it, if they want to fly like little timid gits and only attack things that can't fight back then let them.  The fights against them were just a waste of ammo, fuel and my time anyway.


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