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Offline lukster

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2006, 04:08:05 PM »
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DId Pat tillman serve in Iraq?  I thought he was serving in Afgan and was killed there...


I think you're right about that. Hmmm, wondering how accurate this is.

No, Pat did serve in Iraq prior to Afghanistan.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2006, 04:43:59 PM »
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I have trouble with the authenticity of the statements of the brother.

You would think that if your brother layed down his life for what he believed in, that he would acknowledge that.  Something doesn't ring true here.


Um, he didn't. Read the wiki on Tillman for more info.

Folks like an Eagler will be quick to judge him. "Democrat" or "Liberal" just because Tillman's truths violate Eagler's precious world-view--despite what 66% of our country believes, despite the overwhelming evidence that we are in a morass with no viable exit.

Tillman was killed by his own troops and the circumstances surrounding his death was hidden from his parents while being used as patriotic fodder by those whose political wagons were inextricably hitched to Bush and his ilk.

In their tiny minds, disagreeing with the Admin= Democrat/Liberal--though I believe he will be stunned when all of us regular old Republicans vote them out of office next month.

Listen to Olbermann--many here will attack the man but are completely unable to even give even half an answer to his comments, none of which are "left" -- you will find no pro abortion message, no gun control message, no let's raise taxes message, in short, not a single "left" plank. Yet these here will still portray Olbermann's message as "from the left."

This lack of rational thought by the far right whackos well represented on this board is nothing more than pathetic, irresponsible and dare I say it?

UnAmerican.

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2006, 05:03:50 PM »
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That is the biggest cop out I've ever heard.  Enough with the scare tactics.  They are nowhere near as scary as where we are right now.  Ask the troops on the ground in Iraq how much better off they are.  Sheep go baaaa.


What scare tactics? We have two choices, I vote R as the D's turn my stomach as a whole.
I believe the majority of the boots in the field believe in their mission. can you show me that they don't?

Horn - if that is true then the dems will sweep in Nov effectively stifling the rest of Bushs term
I don't think that will happen
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2006, 06:00:57 PM »
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Horn - if that is true then the dems will sweep in Nov effectively stifling the rest of Bushs term I don't think that will happen


Even if it does, it will take years to fix the damage done by this President. Just getting a Dem congress will not be anything but a weak start. Frankly, Dems aren't the answer either but if there really is a God He will remove these corrupt, valueless, immoral, hatemongering incompetents from office.

The very idea of a Hillary in office makes my skin crawl but even she would be worth it to get these people out. The Bush admin is getting our guys killed and mutilated with no end or solution in sight.

But hey, at least the current admin will never have to worry about getting in trouble for their crimes against the USA and the world--they recently gutted the War Crimes Act so they can't be held responsible for violations of the Geneva Convention or any crimes against Mankind. Sweet deal, eh?

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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2006, 06:36:37 PM »
sry Horn - the current admin is nothing like what you describe to me..
I stand by Bush and the majority of his decisions since 00. I appreciate the SC judges he got in there and feel the day the dems take total control as the repubs have had for the last 6 years, will be the beginning of the end of the US as we know it .. not a scare tactic, just a fact IMO
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2006, 10:04:15 PM »
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sry Horn - the current admin is nothing like what you describe to me..
I stand by Bush and the majority of his decisions since 00. I appreciate the SC judges he got in there and feel the day the dems take total control as the repubs have had for the last 6 years, will be the beginning of the end of the US as we know it .. not a scare tactic, just a fact IMO


Well start performing, you've had enough time.

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2006, 11:38:11 PM »
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sry Horn - the current admin is nothing like what you describe to me..
I stand by Bush and the majority of his decisions since 00. I appreciate the SC judges he got in there and feel the day the dems take total control as the repubs have had for the last 6 years, will be the beginning of the end of the US as we know it .. not a scare tactic, just a fact IMO


Wow. I say wow because normally you have cogent thought processes. Do you really not understand the over 700 "findings? Do you not see that the erosion of habeus corpus is a problem? Do you not see that our torture of prisoners "legally" is a bad thing? Do you not see that if you are accused of something and the Gov't says that the evidence is classifed there is no recourse? Do you not object, even in a small way to the 700 incarcerated in Gitmo--and only 10 charged with a crime? Do you not see that torture is illegal? Do you not see that  incarcerated people in Gitmo are only allowed due process if they plead guilty?

If you don't see any of this then I am sorry for you. And your children. THEY will have no recourse in our new "Geneva Convention is lame" world.

Will you be outraged when our enemies torture our guys? I'm guessing not--you know, because, well, we can do it to them.

Your slippery slope is audacious and wrong. You should at least man up and see what is going on around you.

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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2006, 01:26:26 AM »
who cares what the dude has to say, HA WASN`T IN THE NFL!!!!

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2006, 06:37:56 AM »
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Wow. I say wow because normally you have cogent thought processes. Do you really not understand the over 700 "findings? Do you not see that the erosion of habeus corpus is a problem? Do you not see that our torture of prisoners "legally" is a bad thing? Do you not see that if you are accused of something and the Gov't says that the evidence is classifed there is no recourse? Do you not object, even in a small way to the 700 incarcerated in Gitmo--and only 10 charged with a crime? Do you not see that torture is illegal? Do you not see that  incarcerated people in Gitmo are only allowed due process if they plead guilty?

If you don't see any of this then I am sorry for you. And your children. THEY will have no recourse in our new "Geneva Convention is lame" world.

Will you be outraged when our enemies torture our guys? I'm guessing not--you know, because, well, we can do it to them.

Your slippery slope is audacious and wrong. You should at least man up and see what is going on around you.



Just so you know..If I thought you or anyone else had information that jeapordized the saftey of my family-friends or the old lady who lives down the street-- I WOULD PULL THEIR FINGERNAILS OUT MYSELF!

wahh just ask the nice man if he knows anything wahhh :cry :cry

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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2006, 07:47:12 AM »
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Just so you know..If I thought you or anyone else had information that jeapordized the saftey of my family-friends or the old lady who lives down the street-- I WOULD PULL THEIR FINGERNAILS OUT MYSELF!

wahh just ask the nice man if he knows anything wahhh :cry :cry


Another fan of Jack Bauer?    If only real life were as simple as Fox's TV series '24'.  

You're ready to pull someone's fingernails out on the suspicion you "think" they have information.    Pretty ugly, bloody, painful situation if you find out they didn't know anything after all.  

Is that really the way you want life in America to be?    Torturing people based on suspicion?

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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2006, 08:23:43 AM »
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Wow. I say wow because normally you have cogent thought processes. Do you really not understand the over 700 "findings? Do you not see that the erosion of habeus corpus is a problem? Do you not see that our torture of prisoners "legally" is a bad thing? Do you not see that if you are accused of something and the Gov't says that the evidence is classifed there is no recourse? Do you not object, even in a small way to the 700 incarcerated in Gitmo--and only 10 charged with a crime? Do you not see that torture is illegal? Do you not see that  incarcerated people in Gitmo are only allowed due process if they plead guilty?

If you don't see any of this then I am sorry for you. And your children. THEY will have no recourse in our new "Geneva Convention is lame" world.

Will you be outraged when our enemies torture our guys? I'm guessing not--you know, because, well, we can do it to them.

Your slippery slope is audacious and wrong. You should at least man up and see what is going on around you.


I also believe in the death penalty knowing every blue moon the wrong guy gets zapped. But also knowing the vast majority of them get what’s coming to them...I can't give a rats arse for anyone who finds themselves in gitmo for the same reason ... sorry.
Tell the terrorists to unite under a single nationality, Iranian or Syrian would work for me, so they will be afforded all the GV rules and regulations. It's not my fault these chicken-sheet woman and child butchers hide out amongst the general pop while conducting their heartless actions ..
as for "Will you be outraged when our enemies torture our guys? " - do you think they would not torture their prisoners if we did not torture ours? You do realize you empower them when you cry for their "rights" - they laugh in your face as they bear down on the next orange clad kidnapped reporter/soldier/contractor neck with their "God is Great" sword or when denote the next ied under the next convoy of soldiers whose only purpose in Iraq was/is to make it a better place than before they showed up. Or do you believe the "invasion and occupation" was for nothing but "cheap" oil?
Sorry, I cannot share your paranoid fears of our government as I believe it is the best in the world as is the country
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2006, 08:28:29 AM »
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guess he's a democrat eh?
 


No, he's a person who walked the walk and put it on the line, which is more than you or I have done.....HE is a patriot.

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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2006, 11:16:17 AM »
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Another fan of Jack Bauer?    If only real life were as simple as Fox's TV series '24'.  

You're ready to pull someone's fingernails out on the suspicion you "think" they have information.    Pretty ugly, bloody, painful situation if you find out they didn't know anything after all.  

Is that really the way you want life in America to be?    Torturing people based on suspicion?



Torture is a last resort when all other avenues have been exhausted....It is our expressed goal of not enjoying the pain and suffering to these very specific individuals, but of garnering information from which we believe we have a reason foundation to believe they contain, in lieu of protecting American lives...Do we get it wrong sometimes?  Sure....We also send a lot of innocent men to death, or life sentences after being judged by a jury of peers...where is your outcry there?....

I happen to trust me government, and if a security agency has reason beyond a doubt to believe an individual is holding information to an imminent attack, and what talk, then torture is faiir game....

Theres two things your missing....

1-  If these people wanted to protect themselves even more to fals accusations (sp), then how about denouncing terror!  rally behind the cause and help end this bloody war....

2-  I dont know how people manifest this up, but I sincerely doubt that any real terrorist is going to be saying "i dont know anything I am a good guy" while being questioned or even tortured....Realistically its more like FU infidel I will not talk
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2006, 01:24:17 PM »
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Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.


too true...

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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2006, 01:27:54 PM »
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where are we right now?

not even gonna touch that.  if ya don't see it I can't show it to ya.