Global Warming

[straffo]

Can anyone decipher for me lazs2 incoherent babble ?

[midnight Target]

That is a load of horse pucky Lazs and I think you know it. The environmental movement that started in the 70's probably saved millions of lives and definitely improved the environment in California. There is no question the benefits have outweighed the "mistakes" you are so happy to point out.

[Spiritin]

Its widely accepted everywhere in the world except USA and China that
Global Warming is largely due to excessive burning of hydrocarbons which produces carbon dioxide (Greenhouse gas). Also I'm told that the farting of live-stock is a big factor as well.

Ask yourself who is the biggest producer of greenhouse gas?
Also who will be the biggest producer in a few years time?
If you said USA and China you were right.

Mr Bush is an oil man and a rancher. Hmmmmm!

C'mon America wake up guys!

[indy007]

Originally posted by midnight Target
That is a load of horse pucky Lazs and I think you know it. The environmental movement that started in the 70's probably saved millions of lives and definitely improved the environment in California. There is no question the benefits have outweighed the "mistakes" you are so happy to point out.

Not quite. DDT was banned because of environmentalist pressure groups, even in the face of research that showed the concerns were unfounded.

It's extremely effective at fighting Malaria, and it's estimated that 2.7 million per year die from Malaria... mostly kids under the age of 5.

Pretty big mistake if you ask me... but I guess that's okay since Cali has improved...

[Bronk]

Originally posted by midnight Target
That is a load of horse pucky Lazs and I think you know it. The environmental movement that started in the 70's probably saved millions of lives and definitely improved the environment in California. There is no question the benefits have outweighed the "mistakes" you are so happy to point out.

In the beginning it was. Now it's no more than anti-capitalist political movement.
On top of a way for the so called "experts" to wring out more tax payer $ for funding .

Bronk

[john9001]

Originally posted by Toad
Quick! Let's fire off a volcano and save the world!

damm toad, you beat me to it, but we need a UN study to see just how many volcanoes they need to blow up to save the world.

if they get the computer model wrong it could start a new ice age.


save the polar bear

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by straffo
Sorry but you're not Lazs , I did ask lazs not you.


Plus I'm curious to see how a document ending in 1900 can discard the human intervention in warming .

Especially when knowing the major increase of the C0² production is post 1900.


That's dishonest Holden.

Geeze.... sorry that my etiquette was not to your standards.

Nothing dishonest about it, it was the first thing that I found in a Google search that related.

I thought you would like some information that related climate to the sun, but I guess I was mistaken.  The fact that the graph shows climate variation due to the sun's activity without human intervention is, I think, significant.  As a matter of fact, it is the crux of the issue.

That you cannot see that there is some significance to the post is not dishonest, it's ignorant straffo.

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Spiritin
Its widely accepted everywhere in the world ...

Well...there you have it, proof positive.  Of course there was a time it was widely accepted everywhere in the world that the world was flat, that seamonsters ruled the sea, and that the Earth rode on the back of a giant tortoise.

[straffo]

Holden you were backing this (among other things)

Originally posted by lazs2
I mean just that.   The only real measurable effects on global warming is by the sun... it is heating us up at a measurable rate... a real number... Not  "contributing" no  "significant" or "massive" but a real number.
 

and if it was not what you wanted to do,next time be more careful.

[Bodhi]

Global Warming happens every morning when the sun rises, and Global Cooling starts every night when the sun sets.

[oboe]

Globally speaking, the sun is always shining on the Earth.

[lazs2]

mt... are you referring to the NOX devices and the original smog devices that were on 70's vehicles?   They were laughable and hurt not only  the economy but they increased smog for the most part...  most of em made cars run so much worse the the level of pollutants was increased.

The auto industry was almost destroyed by mandates the there was no technolodgy for.  

no real advances could be made until computer controlled fuel injection was made available...  for almost 10 years the environmentalists made not only life, but the environment worse.   the only possible good item that happened were catalytic converters and they might be banned under new co2 weirdness.

If you want to thank anyone for the cleaner air you breath then thank the engineers that finally shrank down a computer in size and cost to put in your car and run the fuel injection and other systems.   Sheesh...  the environentalists were mandating it when we nasa didn't even have it.

you got a short memory if you don't recall the 12mpg tiny V8's that were weazing out 100 hp or so and would run for 5 minutes after you shut em off.

Mtbe is just a more recent manifestation of bad, panic driven legislation...  Are you saying that poisoning the water supply is no big deal?  The economic ruin caused by using it is no big deal?  

Good ideas evolve naturally.. bad ideas need to be rushed into law by doomsday scenarios...  

lazs

[lazs2]

I guess that another question that needs answering would be...

If we don't do anything and we have even on year... say next year... where the average global temperature either stayed the same or decreased....

Would that mean that the global warming alarmists and doomsday chicken littles are wrong?   I mean...  why would it happen if we are "contributing" "significant" and "massive" amounts....???

If we are the biggest factor in what the temperature of the globe is and the models are correct... it would be impossible for the trend to reverse or even slow on it's own.

It would seem that if this happened that we should then assume that we are on the verge of an ice age and that we had better start work on ice age prevention measures correct?

get it into your heads people...

These guys you are being suckered by can't even tell you what the temperature next year will be or even if we will have more or less hurricanes.... these are the guys you want to tell you about how much effect man is having on the global climate?

How do you guys make such a leap of faith?

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by straffo
Holden you were backing this (among other things)

and if it was not what you wanted to do,next time be more careful.

Straffo,

Several sources I have seen say the sun is the most intense it has been in 1500 years, and is a contributor to our recent temperature trend. Solar output was a significant factor in the little ice age. Human induced co2 is not the whole answer: the IPCC's polcymaker summary says that many uncertainties exist due to the [paraphrase] signal just barely coming out of the statistical background noise, [/paraphrase]

I posted information that might add to the discussion.

Perhaps before you call someone a liar, you should be more careful.

[straffo]

I didn't wrote you were a liar ,I wrote your post was dishonest.