Spitfire

[Bronk]

Film ?

Or just more bullflop.

Bronk

[Krusty]

Kev I'm at several thousand feet already, high speed. When I zoom up I'm going well past 6-8k in alt. Even at BEST climb, low on the deck, the spixteen can only do ~5000 fpm, it should take it well over 60-120 seconds to get up to me, by which time I've looped around and am positioning for kill. Instead it's still vertically nose high and gaining in under 40 seconds.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Serenity
Im basing this on the fact that:

1) no plane can hover upside down, doing 50 mph TOPS and losing no altitude

2) No propeller plane can take off, climb 10,000 feet, all the while accelerating to 500mph in under 60 seconds

3) No propeller plane with the weight of a Spitfire and an engine of that era can begin an 80 degree climb at 120mph and reach 360mph IN the climb while still accelerating.

I have seen a Spitfire XVI do all of the above things.

Sure you have.  Any verifiable proof other than "I've seen it do that"?


ack-ack

[Krusty]

Does seem a bit far-fetched

[Masherbrum]

Too bad the Spit 1 is the best of the bunch.  Especially landing kills in the LWA's.

[Squire]

"1) no plane can hover upside down, doing 50 mph TOPS and losing no altitude"

Post a film.

"2) No propeller plane can take off, climb 10,000 feet, all the while accelerating to 500mph in under 60 seconds"

Post a film.

"3) No propeller plane with the weight of a Spitfire and an engine of that era can begin an 80 degree climb at 120mph and reach 360mph IN the climb while still accelerating."

Post a film

"I have seen a Spitfire XVI do all of the above things."

...ya, sure you have.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Serenity
No, they arent. The Spixteen E is a real spitfire, because it doesnt have the clipped wings. But those eliptical wings are what made it famous. Remove those and its just another fighter.

Oh Serenity,where did we go wrong!

They clipped Spits from the V to the XIV.  Clipped Spits were in operation in early 43.

You go tell these guys they weren't flying real Spitfires.  These are my guys from 41 and 91 Squadron who flew the Spit XII in 1943-44 and who did quite well in it.  I have talked to them and they claim they were flying Spits.



And if you want I'll post pics of a full span, combat Spitfire XVI while posting pics of clipped wing Spitfire IXs and VIIIs.

Don't start making generalizations about the Spit until you've done some REALLY serious reading please.

[Squire]

Oh, btw, "alt-r" for films there guy.

...Offline or online, with any fuel load you like.

Im getting the popcorn and a corona ready.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
My issue with Spitfires is mainly that they comprise in game a far larger portion of the aircraft one encounters than they ever did in any theater (including the Battle of Britain).  Aside from that, they're so easy to fly that they do allow a considerably inferior flier to get kills on a superior pilot.  This is particularly true of the later Spitfires, which not only maneuver better than nearly all of their opponents but are also faster.

Any idea how many Spitfires were produced Benny?

20,334.  2,408 Seafires built.  Last I checked only the 109 had more examples produced.

Any idea how many squadrons flew them?  If not I can give you the break down, which mark they flew, when etc.  Starting with 1 squadron and ending in the 700s.

What I'm seeing is a generalized "History Channel" statement based on the fact that there were more Hurris then Spits in the B of B.

They flew in the ETO, MTO, CBI, PTO, Russia etc.  The Russians alone got over 1000 Spitfire LFIXs.  They also got 100s of Spit Vs.

Talked to a present day real Spit flyer and he was he first to admit it's very easy to fly.  Heckuva design for a wartime fighter wouldn't you say?  What an advantage to have that kind of performance, coupled with that ease of flying.  I guess AH got the design right then.

Go ahead and gripe about em in the game.  I get tired of seeing so many 16s too.

I trust that you aren't criticizing the real wartime Spit or it's pilots.  I'd have a serious problem with that

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Krusty
Kev I'm at several thousand feet already, high speed. When I zoom up I'm going well past 6-8k in alt. Even at BEST climb, low on the deck, the spixteen can only do ~5000 fpm, it should take it well over 60-120 seconds to get up to me, by which time I've looped around and am positioning for kill. Instead it's still vertically nose high and gaining in under 40 seconds.

Krusty, I think you are a victim of physics. That Spitfire likely had some speed to begin with. In which case, the first part of the climb was pure zoom, far greater than its constant rate of climb. Beginning from sea level at 300 mph, the Spit16 can reach 10,000 feet in 100 seconds, and it covers the first 7,000 feet in about a minute. If the Spitfire had 400 mph on the clock, it'll get to you in well under a minute... Understand the physics and you'll find yourself not being surprised by things that are to be expected.

There's nothing wrong with the Spitfire Mk.XVI's flight model, especially with regard to speed, climb and acceleration.

My regards,

Widewing

[Krusty]

Normally I might think so, only most of the time this happens I witness them roll to take off and they do this the moment their gear is up

[Bronk]

Yet we see no film, BULLPLOP !!!!!


Bronk

[titanic3]

the only spit that i consider a challenge is those with the 2x 50cal, always get my engine and pilot, not a good idea when ur at 50ft. other than that 109 kill spit like real easy.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by titanic3
the only spit that i consider a challenge is those with the 2x 50cal, always get my engine and pilot, not a good idea when ur at 50ft. other than that 109 kill spit like real easy.

Here have a quarter. Go to the mall and buy a clue.




Its the pilot not the plane.


Bronk

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Bronk
Film ?

Or just more bullflop.

Bronk

More bullflop

shamus