Author Topic: The Mall Shooter was.... (Read 2849 times)

Hap · « **Reply #105 on:** February 15, 2007, 11:18:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Halo
Endless quibling about semantics when the real issue is how do we stop the next one or deter it from happening?

We don't. Because we both cannot and will not.

hap

Maverick · « **Reply #106 on:** February 15, 2007, 11:57:14 AM »

Has there been any official acknowledgement of the shooters motives yet? I want to stress the word "official" as having come from a real investigative source such as the agencies investigating the incident rather than news reporters making guesses.

lazs2 · « **Reply #107 on:** February 15, 2007, 02:15:49 PM »

I think that what is telling is how much less press this shooting is getting than other shootings.

Truth is... when a nutjob shoots kids in school it helps the anti gunners cause somewhat...

When a muslim shoots up a mall... people buy more guns.

lazs

Tarmac · « **Reply #108 on:** February 15, 2007, 02:30:17 PM »

Here's a video from inside the place stolen from AGW. It has some distant garbled audio... it would be interesting to hear it cleaned up or interpreted by the people who were actually there to give some insight into this scumbag's motives.

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There are a couple other related videos on the site, too.

Nashwan · « **Reply #109 on:** February 15, 2007, 03:06:52 PM »

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I think that what is telling is how much less press this shooting is getting than other shootings.

I'm not sure about that. There was a shooting at a business in Philadelphia on Monday night, by a man who thought he'd been cheated on an investment deal. 4 dead. How much press is that getting?

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I'm not anti gun, but the solution to everything is not issuing guns to one and all. If that was true Iraq or Afghanistan would be the safest countries on Earth. Israel issues UZI's to all who want them. If anyone knows how to deal with terrorists, Israel does. They still get hit.

Not only that, they are actually reducing the number of guns issued. The reason is that the rate of murder of women by close relatives/partners has doubled in the last 5 years. Half of all women murdered by relatives/partners are killed by security guards, policemen or soldiers who have a firearm at home.

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how many EL-AL flights get hijacked today?

How many El Al flights let armed citizens on them?

El Al has an excellent record on hijacks because they operate very strict security measures on the ground. Think US airport security is invasive? Go to Israel.

When the security scanning machines at Kiryat Shmona airport couldn't be used due to a dispute over who paid for running them, they simply banned all Arabs from the flights.

Toad · « **Reply #110 on:** February 15, 2007, 03:35:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan

When the security scanning machines at Kiryat Shmona airport couldn't be used due to a dispute over who paid for running them, they simply banned all Arabs from the flights.

But...but...BUT... BUT!

That's PROFILING!

We can't have that, now can we?

Bronk · « **Reply #111 on:** February 15, 2007, 03:45:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
But...but...BUT... BUT!

That's PROFILING!

We can't have that, now can we?

Nope, to cheap and effective.

Bronk

Viking · « **Reply #112 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:09:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
I think you looked at a bunch of these. Then tossed them out in the hopes nobody would look them up.
But just in case someone did you cover your arse with "I’m no expert on us law.".

Nice try bluffing your way through this.

I don't think it's the US is "new to this business". As I'm sure people were charged with whatever crime they committed doing said "terrorism".

Just now "terrorism" is chargeable offense also.

But please don't let that stop you from adding you thinly veiled US insults.

Makes you look more and more pathetic.

Bronk

Nice dodge and ad hominem. It’s all you have left … I understand.

VOR · « **Reply #113 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:11:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Hap
We don't. Because we both cannot and will not.

hap

It could never be done because everyone would have to objectively take a look at the problem and deal with it at a human level. We're too in love with our conveniences and social progresses to change anything.

This sort of incident advanced from unheard of to rare freak event to commonplace in about 50 years' time. Until we address the changes that have taken place in our society over that time and start connecting some dots with relation to social behavior, it's going to keep on happening.

Bronk · « **Reply #114 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:27:52 PM »

Please Gblowz point out what I'm dodging.

You on the other hand Spin more than a Jet engine on take off.

You post how McVeigh wasn't charged as a terrorist.

We finally find out why he wasn't. No punitive law for being one.
Even through your smokescreen law post.
But guess what even though there was no "Terrorism" punishment law he was still put to death. Hows that for "being new to the biusness".

As far as "ad hominem" goes keep insulting my country .
Rather than insult your's I'll just insult you.

Because there is no way in hell everyone over there can be as ignorant or have such a pompous attitude as you.

Hows that for ad hominem.

Have a nice day Tard.

Bronk

Nashwan · « **Reply #115 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:45:20 PM »

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But...but...BUT... BUT!

That's PROFILING!

We can't have that, now can we?

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Nope, to cheap and effective.

It's certainly effective in stopping terrorism on aircraft. On the other hand, would you say Israel has been effective in stopping terrorism? I'd say most definitely no. In a country of about 6 million, they've lost something over 1,000 citizens in the last few years, and killed about 5,500 people fighting terrorism. Yet they never seem on the verge of winning a battle they've been fighting for 60 years.

I'd say those are statistics of failure, not success.

Racial profiling might stop terrorists getting on airliners, but it also stops a much larger number of innocent people getting on aircraft. How many of those denied basic rights by their colour/religion will go on to become terrorists?

I'd say you can't buy yourself peace and security by removing the rights of whole segments of society. You'll create the very thing you seek to prevent.

VOR · « **Reply #116 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:58:15 PM »

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I'd say you can't buy yourself peace and security by removing the rights of whole segments of society. You'll create the very thing you seek to prevent.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #117 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:02:31 PM »

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Columbine was intended to intimidate a segment of the civilian population.
Side effect was a change of school social policies.

Using FBI definitions anyway.

Bronk

Columbine was an act of revenge. Where do you get your info from?

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #118 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:09:25 PM »

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I was hoping you'd bring this up. This was an act of domestic terrorism and was referred to as such by countless people here. Mcveigh is commonly referred to as a terrorist... need links?

Wiki def: Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American terrorist convicted of eleven federal offenses and ultimately executed as a result of his role in the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The bombing, which claimed 168 lives, is considered the deadliest incident of domestic terrorism in U.S. history.

Read some more and you will also conclude that McVeigh bombed the federal building as an act of revenge for the percieved slaughter of innocent men, women and children at Waco. Revenge. It would fit more of a definition of war than terrorism since he apparently tried to get away with it and made no effort to further his political views when he was in the spotlight.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #119 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:21:05 PM »

So far, the only thing different from this than the ordinary mass murderer is that he was muslim. Now if hezbollah takes claim for this and aonnounces a never ending wave of such attacks on the american people, affecting the economy and TERRORIZING the people of america, AND making political demands, it would be classified as an act of terror. Until then... derranged teenager with some ambitions to make the headlines, and he succeeded.