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[E25280]

Originally posted by Bronk
Dang, even a mud crawler gets it.

LTARget.

Bronk

Yeah, now if I can only convince LTARghst.  

[LTARghst]

Oh disregard you guys didnt get what I was trying to say on here.

[GooseAW]

I think I do ghst,

The point I think you are trying to make is what I think I was replying to.

It's really not a big deal to me but it does seem that a few recently are intentionally ramming. I guess those with superior technical knowledge are saying that that's impossible...let's kill bad guys now.

[hubsonfire]

While there may be a lot of newer players who don't really understand what's going on, and how collisions work, they cannot consistently, intentionally, fly into you and cause you to take damage, unless they shoot you. If you're consistently getting damaged in collisions, you need to quit flying into all these clueless noobs.

[kilz]

yes the rams have gone up in numbers. are they on purpose who knows does it look like it is yes. can it be done i am not going to say it cant who knows what and what cannot be done these days. belittle someone over a qestion for information is not called for. all ghst was asking for is does it seem like there is alot more rams then normal and do they seem to be done on purpose.

all you had to say was 1 yes there are alot of rams latly yes they do seem like they are done on purpose 2 ya there are alot of rams lately on purpose i dont think so

in those answers alone are no trash talking about someone just what i thought

[Wolf14]

heh an LTAR crying about getting "Rammed".


Oh the Horror.....

An LTAR's point of view:

"Regardless what happens, When I win, I am the greatest and should get all the WTG's I can. When I lose its something wrong with the game and its always, always, always, someone elses fault."




Above statement is meant in jest

Seriously. It Is

[E25280]

Originally posted by LTARkilz
yes the rams have gone up in numbers. are they on purpose who knows does it look like it is yes. can it be done i am not going to say it cant who knows what and what cannot be done these days. belittle someone over a qestion for information is not called for. all ghst was asking for is does it seem like there is alot more rams then normal and do they seem to be done on purpose.

all you had to say was 1 yes there are alot of rams latly yes they do seem like they are done on purpose 2 ya there are alot of rams lately on purpose i dont think so

in those answers alone are no trash talking about someone just what i thought

Point taken, Kilz, but the problem is the word "ram", which denotes something intentional.  As has been beaten to death in this thread and others, it is hard/impossible to intentionally ram someone and cause the other guy damage.  When people complain about "rams", they usually claim the opponent somehow intentionally caused them damage and then flew off scott free.  Due to ghst's choice of words, this seemed to be what he meant.

So, lets reword the original post a bit, using "collide" instead of "ram":

Originally posted by LTARghst
Is it me or is there a major influx of people colliding more lately due to the fact of a large number of Noobs. Was defending a base yesterday and was collided with many times. These were guys I never heard of so figured NOOBS. Was collided with by the same guy 3 times at one base. This Noob made it an effort to pull up into me everytime I broke off. Started spraying 2 out. Is it just me?

Well, I must say, that does put a whole different meaning to the post and question.  Apologies for the misunderstanding.

So, to answer the reworded question, yes, there seems to be a lot more noobs than is usual.  Today, I saw three different guys try to vulch a friendly (who, btw, was also a noob and ended up crashing several times trying to avoid the vulch ) at the SAME BASE within 10 minutes of one another.  It was - em - perplexing.

Once I explained to the guy getting vulched that the friendlies couldn't hurt him, and to ignore them, he at least got wheels up.  (Well, ok, I had to tell him to hit "g", but he did get wheels up.)  Also suggested he try the TA -- but he pretty much kept asking questions on country instead.

While the influx of newbies can be distracting (if not annoying), it is a good thing for the game.  Hope they last long enough to learn something.

[LTARghst]

Ty Gents!

[FBplmmr]

if this happens in the little cartoon world that exists on your computer than you have collided ... notice the damage model makes some intricate calculations to determine who takes what  damage (if any)

now I'm betting it wasn't intentional but they both got a you have collided message and it doesn't matter "whose fault it was" the planes that collide ,,have a collision.


when reality collides

[E25280]

Looks like the plane with the red underside flew off scott free.  

[kilz]

i just sayin it does look like it was done on purpose. was it no but its what it looks like thats all

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Bronk
If you see orange text its your own damn fault.
If you get the white text it was the other guys.

That is all.


Bronk

and when you "Collide" with someone with your rear. while going forward.
How is that your fault?

Last night Im chasing a Tempast when I see tracer rounds going past me from behind. Before I can even take any evasive action the next thing I see is a "You have collided" and my plane is spiraling down.

Ok I understand the my front end . His front end.

I just think that if they cant consistantly register the collision on both ends they should get rid of collisions alltogether.
Because without it registering on both ends

 It does absolutely nothing to add to the emmersion of the game
Only aggrivates the pi$$ out of people
and causes alot of greif and arguements here

[Simaril]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
and when you "Collide" with someone with your rear. while going forward.
How is that your fault?
.....snip

To be blunt, its your fault because you didnt keep enough SA to see him coming and get out of the way. Like when you step onto a roadway, its just as much your responsibility to be safe as it is the other drivers'.

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
...I just think that if they cant consistantly register the collision on both ends they should get rid of collisions alltogether.
Because without it registering on both ends....
 

Until you figure out how to make electrons move faster than the speed of light, there is simply no way to make collisions register on both front ends. The game effect of the time differences, caused by the distances the signals have to travel, amounts to planes' positions being literally hundreds of feet shifted between front ends.

thats life, and HTC has made what seems to be the best setup given the limits of our time/space continuum.

Bottom line is, if you keep your plane from occuplying the same space as another one -- if you FLY as if you didnt want to collide with the objects you see, as if the idea really scared you (simulation iummersion, right?) -- then YOU WILL NOT COLLIDE.






With a few exceptions, of course. I can top your horror story, Dred -- I was attacking a  set of buffs, chewing them up. As I swept in across the 6 (Not parking there), AT THAT MOMENT his planes warped 500 feet backwards. That moved their positions THROUGH mine, and I took the collision. Because I was hundreds of feet offset on his end, he didnt collide with me, so he took no damage.

Even so, I think the system is simply the only way to do things. If HE died, when all he saw was my plane 500 feet away, he would have even more right to be upset than I did. I absolutely DO NOT want to be dying all the time because some doofus on the other end cant figure out how to avoid me, even when I am using ACM to its fullest to set him up for a fair kill.

[GooseAW]

Me thinks this horse is dead.

[DREDIOCK]

Bottom line. Nobody I dont care how uber they are has perfect SA all the time.

I've also "collided" with people underneith me whom I didnt even knw where there.

Your point about the backwards warping Buffs is well taken though, and all the more reason to do away with collisions.
Obviouisly not all "collisions" are unavoidable as your buff encounter points out.

There simply is no need for them if they cant be modeled to  detect collisions on both ends consistantly.
And yes I know they cant. THAT was part of my point
It does ZERO for the game. Emmersion or otherwise
All it does is piss people off about "This ace pilot hit me and only I took the damage."
and cause alot of arguements here.
 
It doesnt even help deter the HO as people do it anyway. Which would be the main reason I can see to have it to begin with.

Without having the ability to consistantly have the collisions register on both ends I can see no logical reason to have it.