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Offline eagl

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« Reply #75 on: April 04, 2007, 08:28:01 PM »
I carry my buckmark in a nice blue plastic gun case with foam inside, and a little cut-out for the magazine to ensure it's obvious if I'm putting it away without the magazine removed.
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« Reply #76 on: April 04, 2007, 08:36:06 PM »
Halo, you can use the quote box above to quote someone, or place a [  before the word "quote", then a ]  enter the statement you want to quote, then type a [ then a / then the word "quote" then a ]

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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2007, 08:43:07 PM »
Halo, if you suspect there is a problem with the gun, Springfield Armory guarantees their guns for life. You can send it to them and they will fix it without charge. The drawback is that you have to send it overnight if you ship it. Someone with an FFL can send it USPS priority mail for a lot less money. If you can find an FFL who will ship it for you. Maybe the one you bought it from? When it is sent back to you, you do not need to have a background check done on the gun because you already own it. If you send it to a gunsmith and he creates a new problem or does something to your gun, Springfield may not warranty it anymore. A phone call to Springfield may answer a lot of questions.

Also, carry the gun fully loaded as was said earlier. Under a stress full situation you may not even think of chambering a round, just point and shoot. Going click because the round was not chambered is not good. And I am not trying to sound condescending but the gun will not go off unless the finger is on the trigger. Lay your finger along side the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.

Hopefully this isnt a repeat of something that was said.
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« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2007, 08:43:43 PM »
(quote)  Halo, you can use the quote box above to quote someone, or place a [ before the word "quote", then a ] enter the statement you want to quote, then type a [ then a / then the word "quote" then a ]


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Heh, thanks, Dago, I'm a real Luddite with this message board's mechanics even after all these posts.  I can just type quote and unquote faster than I have ever been able to get this format to work for me.
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« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2007, 08:48:29 PM »
(quote)  Halo, if you suspect there is a problem with the gun, Springfield Armory guarantees their guns for life. You can send it to them and they will fix it without charge.  (unquote)

Thanks, M36.  The thread is getting pretty long and sometimes redundant now as long threads will do.

As I always though and now realize more than ever, the Springfield XD is just fine.  The problem is me.  I think I have a good handle (so to speak) on it now thanks to many helpful inputs.  

Incidentally, I returned an ailing Single-Six .357 revolver to Ruger and as you indicate, the manufacturer did a beautiful refurbishing for no charge other than my shipping costs to them.  What other industry backs up their products as well as the firearms industry?
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« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2007, 08:51:43 PM »
(quote)  That's how people get killed in gun accidents, training themselves to handle unloaded guns instead of loaded ones.  (unquote)

You know, eagl, that's true enough to be posted over doors leading to gun training centers.  Seriously.  I found my favorite motto like that.  The door to the 87th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Labrador said:

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."  My favorite ever since.
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« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2007, 09:06:44 PM »
CC Halo. I have had a problem with children and my firearms, though. But, not in way that I ever thought would have been a problem.

At the time, my oldest son was in kindergarten(He's in 6th grade, now.) I had a #4 SMLE, Early issue with a Brass buttplate, a Romanian M-44 Carbine(A copy of the Mosin-Nagant M1891) and a Yugoslavian M24( A copy of the Kar 98.) My Rem 870 I'd left at my Dad's house, as when I went hunting, It was straight from there. My rifles, however, I kept at my house. Anyway, My children knew I kept my rifles there, And when I stored them, I'd jerk the bolts out and put a(n) gun-oil soaked rag in the receiver. The bolts, I'd kept up on a top shelf.

Well, My son thought that rifles with a mag sticking out the bottom(Like the Enfield) were really neat, and since he'd play army or some kind of gun battle game on the playground, He told his friends one day that his dad had a Machine gun. I don't know if another child said something, or if a teacher or yard aid overheard them talking, but The next day a CPS (Child Protective Services) worker shows up at my house, demanding to speak with us.

I was at work at the time. So, calling on my cell phone, I had to ask my Dad to Drive 25 miles over to my house, to get my rifles out and explain to this person what was going on. He came over, explained that they were Actually antiques, and That they were not Automatic weapons in the same genre as the AK-47. However...

The mags sticking out the bottom of the #4 and the M-44 made her think that we were Columbine part 2.

My Father, who was a trial attorney in CA for 35 yrs. and had retired some time before that, told her to hold off on the S&S writ, Got back on the phone with me, explained what was going on, and we agreed for him to take my rifles to his house.

This placated the CPS worker, who still came back later and talked to me and my wife again. Since the arangement my father had made was satisfactory to her(Yes, a "her")She just rehashed what had went on the previous day, the concerns that brought her out, yadda yadda yadda.

Now, this was California about 7 yrs. ago. I did'nt spank my son for it, I did'nt reprimand him even. I just told him,"I know you think that shooting's neat, and that alotta guns are cool, Brian, But please don't ever talk about Dad's guns, even to your friends, ever again." He agreed, And I've made the same agreement with my other 2 boys, in the intervening years. I waited until I got a locking gun Cabinet, and then brought my rifles back home. But, to this day, I'm conscious that If I take off on a job, and that something like that should happen again, I'm screwed now if I don't have a lock on 'em. Now, they'll impound the guns if thiers' children in the house, and I'd face prosecution.

One further thing: I don't know if it's standard on most pistols now, But my P345 has a loaded chamber indicator which pops up over the barrel when there's one up the spout. It's got red paint on it, hard to miss.

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« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2007, 09:17:26 PM »
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Wait, you're not strong enough to rack the slide?  That doesn't seem right.



Also, Mash, we had previously polished the feed ramp.  I had an absolutely ****ty mag that would have trouble feeding wolf, and other cheaper ammos.  But it could feed decent ammo, and the other mags we had didn't have a problem.


ah, cc.   I know Wolf doesn't mix well with a lot of pistols.    I emailed Clay Novak and asked if I should have my feed ramp polished.   He said no, I was just considering it for I have had around 8k rounds shot through my USP 45.    I am thinking about getting him to install night sights on it though.
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« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2007, 10:35:07 PM »
I sympathize, FrodeMk3.  The world is always changing, and it's sure different than when I grew up and when my kids grew up.

Life is always a balancing act between individual freedom and community rules.  Sounds as if you and your Dad handled the social worker intrusion well.  

If I still had kids at home, I might get ultra conservative and use gun locks.  Especially if that was the law, I'd do it.  If I thought the law needed to be changed, I'd campaign to change it.    

Law or not, however, locks are just another thing kids can figure out if they want to.  Hopefully not until they're old enough to know better.  And if they're properly trained and motivated, that would never be an issue anyway.
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« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2007, 10:56:33 PM »
Too true. I was raised around firearms, have went on Dove and Quail, Duck hunts since I was 7...But where common sense once stood, now Uneducated fear now reigns.

Here's one I heard when I went to my local gun shop to pick up my Mini-14. There's a bill being proposed(CA, I assume) that would ban all magazine fed firearms. Not just Pistols, but Rifles and shotguns as well. Oh, sportsmen will still have single-shot rifles and shotguns...It doesn't completely ban firearms...

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« Reply #85 on: April 05, 2007, 08:25:20 AM »
One step at a time. First they banned real assault rifles made after 1986. Then they redefined the term assault rifle to include semi-automatic rifles. Now they're proceeding to the next step.

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« Reply #86 on: April 05, 2007, 08:47:24 AM »
I don't think the current trend of people who don't shoot much getting the latest  and greatest gadget filled semi auto is a good one.

I also think that any attempt to make the gun unable to fire in any way that is more cumbersome than thumbing back the hammer/pressing the trigger is insane.   locks?  you are kidding.. why not store it at a gun club?  Children need to be trained to not touch guns until they are old enough to handle them safely.

If you don't teach this to kids... no lock or bizzare loading drill will keep them from handling the gun in an unsafe manner..

I get the impression that most of you semi auto fans would be slaughtered if you came up against a man with a cap and ball revolver that was loaded.   he would have time to thumb back 5 or six shots while you were still trying to find the key to the lock or figure out if you had a mag or... in lasers case.. loading an empty one... or using some kind of prosthetic to load the mag or push back the slide and then figure out which of them tiny little levers you had to move which way to make the damn thing.....

go bang.

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« Reply #87 on: April 05, 2007, 08:52:29 AM »
all my guns are loaded.. even if they are in the safe.  My kimber sits by the coffemaker as I type.  it has one in the chamber and the hammer at half.  The mag is a wilson combat that has been loaded for months or years I really don't know.. It is full of hyroshoks so when I normally take the gun out to shoot I dump that mag and pick up one or two others  with lead 230's in em.   They are reloads regulated to shoot the same point of aim as the hyrasoks.

My revolvers all have full loads in em too.   Some of my rifles aren't loaded but I am not sure which... It doesn't matter.   I know the garand isn't loaded.. for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #88 on: April 05, 2007, 09:36:49 AM »
I've always kept at least one of my guns loaded at all times. Nothing more useless than an empty gun. Now that I'm divorced and living in an apartment, which really blows by the way, I always have my Remington 870 loaded with #4 Phesant loads with my 20" smooth bore slug barrel installed. It's short enough that I can manuver it through the apartment with no problems. I figure the #4 shells will do plenty of damage to an intruder at the close engagement ranges I'm looking at without over penetrating through the walls or ceiling into the other apartments if for some strange reason I missed. That is the only gun that I don't keep locked up in my gun cabinet. My shotgun sits propped up beside my bed, four in the mag, and five more ready to go in a shell holder on the stock. I don't keep one in the pipe because racking that slide to load the first one is noisey and can't be mistaken for anything else. That is the only warning anyone will get from me.

I also have my Kimber 1911A1 loaded with Hydroshocks since that is my main carry weapon, but if I'm home that wouldn't be my "go to" gun.

I'm a firm believer that the only thing better than a shotgun for home defense is a flame thrower, but those are illegal so..........

I also keep a couple of 30rd mags loaded for my M4A3, not that I'd ever pull that out in a home defense situation. I do however live right on the edge of the "hood" here, so just in case the natives ever get really out of control, I'll be ready.
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« Reply #89 on: April 05, 2007, 10:34:39 AM »
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Laser, have you had any firearm training, because it is very clear that you have not.


If you know the answer why ask the question?