Bill O'Reilly vs Geraldo (FOX bout)

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Let's work down the checklist:
1. Claim immigrants are stealing our jobs.  check.
2. State that immigrants are welching on the state.  check.
3. Draw attention to immigrants are committing crimes.  check.
4. Propose confiscating their assets.  check.
5. Round them up into internment camps.  planning.
6. To the showers.

Gotcha.


They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating

Sounds good to me. Now all we need is people in leadership with the balls to actually do it.

But seriously I see where your rather lamely attempting to go with this.
slightly different situation between the illegal ALIENS (they are illegal aliens not immigrants) and the Jews in Germany.

The Jews were prior to the Nazis in germany legally.
The illegal ailiens are not

The Jew were citizens of Germany.
The illegal aliens are not

They werent criminals.
The Illegal aliens are. Just by being here.
If you willingly and wantingly break the law. You are a criminal.
They enter this country fully knowing it is illegal to do so. Which makes them by definition. criminals.

The Jews in Germany owned and operated and worked in and for legal businesses
The illegal aliens do not

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by dmf
Ok some body doesn't get my point. Let me clarify for you.

The Two girls were killed by a drunk driver, who gives a dam if he was illegal or not? He was a drunk driver, Mary Carson was killed by an unknown assailant.

The only reason Bill ORilley opened his stupid bellybutton mouth in the first place is because the guy is an illegal alien, WHO CARES IF HE'S ILLEGAL OR NOT! He killed people, THAT, should be the issue, not where he's from.

Nobody is dispuing that drunk drivers are a problem. The fact he is an illegal compounds the issue
The entire point is this particular drunk driver was an illegal with prior convicions.
Had this illegal been deported upon the first offence or even any of the other offences as he should have. These two particular girls would still be alive.

This particular incident was entirely preventable.

the other part of the point is that illegals are being convicted of crimes and not being shipped back to whence they came upon the first time being caught nor the second or third etc
Instead they are allowed back into the population to stay here illegally

THAT is the point

[Xargos]

How can you compare the NAZI murdering Jews to protecting America from illegals?  That's like saying when someone says your kid is cute that he/she is a child molester.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Xargos
No disrespect intended, but I think your wrong on this.  A true professional, in ANY field, should be able to "flick the switch" to do his job.  Law enforcement has to do it all the time.

P.S.  It is very hard to do sometime, especially when you where injured.

"Being a cop is great, Get into a fight with the ol' Lady  and you can take it out on whoever you want"

Direct quote from a cop I personally know VERY well
And which has been pretty much mirrored in other conversations I've had with cops

Also a statement which caused me to loose a great deal of respect for him personally.

Also explains a few incidents I've dealt with over the years.

Not saying all cops are like this. or even a majority But certainly a fair number of them are.

There are certainly a number of those who definatly dont. Flip that switch

Cant expect em to all the time either.
They are human and not robots...yet  

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Xargos
How can you compare the NAZI murdering Jews to protecting America from illegals?  That's like saying when someone says your kid is cute that he/she is a child molester.

Not sure to whom you are responding here
Me or Chairboy.

If me
I wasnt.
I was pointing out significant differences between illegal aliens and the Jews in Nazi germany

[Shaky]

(Throws more gasoline on this fire......)

New Details in Deadly Director Crash
Fri Apr 6, 1:39 PM

 Not only shouldn't the man arrested for the car crash that killed director Bob Clark have been behind the wheel, authorities say, he shouldn't have been in the country.

Hector Velazquez-Nava, 24, pleaded innocent Friday to two counts of gross-vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, Los Angeles court and prosecution officials said.

The man was arrested Wednesday following a brutal two-car collision that left Clark and his 22-year-son dead.

Police said they believed Velazquez-Nava was driving drunk—Friday's Los Angeles Times reported the man tested at three times above the legal blood-alcohol limit.


Though listed by police as a resident of Los Angeles, Velazquez-Nava is officially a Mexican national illegally in the United States, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Lori Haley confirmed Friday.

[Xargos]

If he does it ALL the time, then he is not professional.

Yes, it is very hard to do.  I have been pulled off inmates by other officers when I was in the wrong by over reacting.

[Xargos]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Not sure to whom you are responding here
Me or Chairboy.

If me
I wasnt.
I was pointing out significant differences between illegal aliens and the Jews in Nazi germany

Not you.  

[DREDIOCK]

I'd rarely if ever stand against you for whomping on a prisoner in prison.
Particularly if the prisoner started or instigated it
It is after all prison.
Its not supposed to be nice.
If they wanted the nice life they shouldnt have done whatever it was to land em in prison to begin with.

[Chairboy]

Preventing illegal immigration isn't the problem, nor is enforcing the laws we have on the book.

The problem is the type of rhetoric being thrown around in support of those goals is dangerous because it serves to dehumanize the illegal immigrants.  History has shown time and time again how that doesn't end well.

[dmf]

Originally posted by Xargos
dmf, I think the point is that he should never have been ABLE to kill the girls in the first place.

Yea, thats the point of every single person that isn't involved. All the armchair lawyers on here are saying "if he wasn't here" "enforce the immigration laws"
"should have kicked him out of the country the first time" Does anybody even care that the girls parents have said they don't want a big issue of immigration made out of this? That they want time to grieve? No, nobody gives a dam about that, all anybody cares about is he was Illegal, and how big of a stink can be made out of it.

I bet you some smart little suit wearing scum sucking money hungry lawyer gets him deported back to Mexico instead of time in prison for vehicular murder, or manslaughter, whatever its called.

[Mr No Name]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Let's work down the checklist:
1. Claim immigrants are stealing our jobs.  check.
2. State that immigrants are welching on the state.  check.
3. Draw attention to immigrants are committing crimes.  check.
4. Propose confiscating their assets.  check.
5. Round them up into internment camps.  planning.
6. To the showers.

Gotcha.


They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating

not a bad damned idea... too bad it wont fly these days...

[Xargos]

Originally posted by dmf


I bet you some smart little suit wearing scum sucking money hungry lawyer gets him deported back to Mexico instead of time in prison for vehicular murder, or manslaughter, whatever its called.

You maybe right,  I'm afraid.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Kurt


What has he accomplished (other than landing a network job)?

 

Maybe you should try looking in to that? Have a priest handy though.

[Chalenge]

Originally posted by Rolex
Wow. I'll bet some people read this and accepted it as a fact, maybe even repeating it to others.

I bet so too. If you do a little research you can find out exactly how precise that figure is. The problem is that as a demographic not even the FBI tracks events such as this. On average the imprisoned illegal aliens we have caught commited 18 crimes before ending up where they are. More go free every day. Not all of the illegal immigrants are Mexican or even latino. This is just where the current focus is because of concerns about our border security.

If you think Bill lacks sincerity then you can just imagine what our politicians are really like.